That could be said about quite a few posters on this topic C.
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the GJ movement started because people have had enough of the world they live in .So what do they want , well for that a platform was set up so that they could tell the government what they want changing so for me to tell you what everybody wants is very hard and that is why i gave the sites address https://le-vrai-debat.fr/ so that you could read for yourselves . Of course it wonāt be easy, but if we donāt try then what world are we going to leave for our descendants.The divide between the very rich and the rest is getting wider and it must stop if you want the world to be safe to live in because people are not born thieves or drug addicts its poverty that pushes them to it
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and property is theft eh, so just take what is not yours and sod the honest decent working people.
Why donāt you answer questions put to you?
All you seem to do is repeat the same mantra over and over againā¦
I see youāve altered your position since this comment Peter
I am French, like your good lady so I do feel slightly qualified to express an opinion. You can either dismiss it or agree with it, quite frankly, I donāt give a monkeys.
Whatever, iām sure you are happy to be paying less for your carburant thoā im sure the increase in the SMIC is something youāve never had to live with ?
The French, whether they are typical or not in your region will continue to protest as they choose cosā Macron knows he canāt do much to stop them. He has been made to look pretty stupid and the concessions to the police were a desperate attempt to save the nation from further in-fighting.
I hope the GJs stop their protests and instead try some dialogue but a lot of people out there are pretty fed up with the way their spending power has been cut over the past decades, Macron pushed them a bit to far.
Iām sure, by your tone that the financial plight of many French are light years away from your personal situation so iām not surprised by your attitude.
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Iāve been waiting for you.
Nothing has changed for me. The GJs achieved victories for us, all of us whether you like it or not. Macron made concessions and that should be recognised. John, like many of us are frustrated with the way the country is going but I suppose thatās quite meaningless to the more prosperous members of the community. Many have no idea just how many āordinaryā people are struggling to pay bills.
Saying that, Macron has listened and acted so that merits a time of reflection without the intervention of the GJs or anyone else. I still sympathise with the movement but violence is not what is needed now.
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as you said which for me is very important No violence, but the manifestations should continue as to keep the pressure on Macron.For far too long each president that is elected says that he is going to change France for the better, but all that is BLA BLA the people are fed up of the Bla Bla they want actions not words and promises they are fed up with paying the bill the presidents leave behind
No I will be manifesting near me like every Saturday so that you can have an easy life so in fact you should thank me for thinking about your welfare
Maybe John but the problems we have now are not all the fault of Macron, far from it. Go back to at least Sarko and especially Hollande to trace the causes of the problems. Hollande maited our years before making unemployment an important issue for example. Macron inherited much od the things we are fighting against. He isnāt perfect and I voted for him only to keep Marine out like most voters but he has at least admitted making mistakes and has made concessions, why canāt the GJs accept that ? Give the guy a break, wait and see if he makes more changes and react accordingly.
Whatās happening now is having a negative effect on public opinion, which leads me to think that whatās happening on our streets is actually driven by some over zealous individuals looking for some personal glory. What we are now seeing isnāt the spirit of the genuine GJs, they are still āmanningā the roundabouts in a peaceful manner not looking t cause trouble.
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you forget Macron was part of Hollandes party and before Macron came into power ha said he understood what the people wanted change and he was going to do it, but now he says he has made mistakes but when a President makes mistakes a lot of people suffer.I do agree that he has inherited the problems of the last 4 presidents, but he should not make promises that he cannot keep
so what do you want and when do you want it?
Theres only so long the people will put up with a boil on their arse before asking for it to be lanced.
Might the upcoming EU elections be part of the script?
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With respect John, if you read my posts I am a GJ but I disagree with the way the movement, which I believe has been hijacked in many areas is being driven.
Actually Macron wasnāt in the āpartyā when in Hollandeās government. He ceased membership of the PS well before.
He is a āPresident of the richā , well thatās the impression he seems to give by his policies but has made an effort to address some of the gripes and that for me should be recognised.
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Well he is now ālisteningā to the people, he is trying to do something and is making concessions. You canāt have it all at once. You cannot make an omlette without breaking eggs!
You talk about the ābill the presidents leave behindā so even you agree that there is a lot that has been inherited.
We want it all and we want it now isnāt going to work, preventing people going about their daily lives isnāt going to work, doing harm to France by making tourists scared to come here isnāt going to work either.
Frankly when you make statements like āNo I will be manifesting near me like every Saturday so that you can have an easy life so in fact you should thank me for thinking about your welfareā it does you and the concept of the GJās a diservice!
Give me an instance of an easier life that you have given to me and others here and all those people who have suffered with the prolonged actions of the GJās !
Like Peter I did believe that there were things that needed rectifying, I was on the first protest but quickly became horrified by the acts of violence that occured, that were unjustified.
Donāt bother manning the barriers for me and all those others who believe in peaceful demonstrations, I donāt need you there, you donāt speak for me ar many others like me !
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If anything the GJās are currently making life harder as the majority are having to adjust their weekend routine to avoid their demonstrations.
@anon43931645, I hate to disappoint you but the GJās are losing public support because of the violence and they will not get what they want.
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We will see who is right in a few months time
The violence you see is from the media or by first hand experience?
Yesā¦I think so.
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Not from first hand experience, thankfully.
However there are many SF posters who have seen for themselves what has happened, who have felt menaced.
I have seen, yes from media reports, paving slabs, metal barriers and steel balls being thrown at the police. Just look at the streets, at the damage done to monuments, cars burned out and tell me thatās normal !
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āThe violence you see is from the media or by first hand experience?ā
Before Christmas the GJs here decided to block supermarkets, petrol pumps, and to block people on supermarket carparks.
The ones I have actually spoken to, up close, on the carpark where they thought it would be a good idea to block me in, were a nasty bunch of threatening, chippy, misogynist thugs and they donāt seem to have got any nicer.
Any sympathy I had for the mass of GJs has gone although I feel a bit sorry for those who as I said before have been and continue to be instrumentalised by the nastiest elements from both extremes of the political spectrum.
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Oh FFS not interested in the crappy site you refer to ! I know Iāve asked before but - who paid for the site - surely you must know or you wouldnāt be supporting it?! And before you ask - I havenāt been on the 2ā¬ / litre wine tonight - I went for the Montagny 1er Cru!
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Huh??? Heās following through (or was trying to!) on the promises he made in his election manifesto which gave him a massive majority. The reality of delivering the promises is a tad unpopular! Short memoriesā¦