I pnly quoted you then put the shoe on the other foot? I don’t see how you could have an issue with that.
David, you accuse me of racism, yet I have not mentioned race or religion at all.
Im saying their track record is poor!
None of their neighbouring countries are willing to have anything to do with them as refugees and they have chosen a terrorist group to govern them. They launch missiles every night at Israel and they recruit an army of (reportedly) 40,000 soldiers, with the sole intention of killing every Israeli that they can.
Now after John accused me of incorrect numbers, i have rechecked.
I was wrong.
As of today , the Palestinian Health ministry states total casualties of 40,500 , (22,600 women and children ), but also including
terrorist fighters , most of whom dont wear military uniforms, (but excluding unrecoverable bodies). Of those casualties Israel claims 18000+ were targeted military positions and therefore the collateral damage figure is closer to 1 civilian casualty for each terrorist killed . Independent observers apparently see the Israeli estimate as high, but close to reality. The health authority figures are accurate since they are based on actual body count.
Still a high ratio compared to an open battlefield, where only combatants are present, I agree, but urban/terrorist/resistance fighter warfare is not an open battlefield.
Finally, I cannot imagine why anyone would think the 2 state idea would work. Why would Hamas give up its goal of removing the zionists? It might have seemed like a good idea back in the 1930s, but we dont live in the same world anymore…
BBC 24 September 2024:
At least 492 people have been killed in intense and wide-ranging Israeli air strikes targeting Hezbollah in Lebanon, the country’s health ministry says, in the deadliest day of conflict there in almost 20 years.
Lebanon’s health ministry said 35 children and 58 women were among the dead, while 1,645 others had been wounded.
Lebanon’s health minister, Firass Abiad, said the bombing in Dahiya, an area south of Beirut had caused the “complete decimation” of four to six residential buildings. “They are residential buildings. They were filled with people,” Mr. Abiad told The New York Times. “Whoever was in those buildings is now under the rubble.”
Who hit first becomes moot when bombs kill your mother, your child, your grandparents. These are not Hezbolla. These are Lebanese people. Israel is being allowed to treat them as collateral damage.
Indeed, it is not indiscriminate, but it is entirely conscienceless.
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Iran has retaliated with missiles fired at Tel Aviv & Jerusalem.
This is going to get ugly.
So Toxo, you must be elated by the UK Prime Minister’s latest speech in full support of Israel. What you have said is shocking.
‘actual body count’ is not possible.
Stirling mouse i would have agreed with you, but the body count is apparently 85%+ accurate and improving daily according to the Palestinian authorities information supplied to Reuters.
Ha,ha… elated. No. Not at all. I am certainly in favour of Israel being supported, but the risk of more regional escalation right now is high. This is a big step up from the localised Israel and Palestine situation
If you don’t think the slaughter of 15,000 is worth getting cross about, then I despair.
Whatever has happened in Cambodia or KZN is irrelevant (that’s called whataboutery and is just a waste of time).
Though I think a more relevant point about KNZ is a bunch of white people took the land, and lo and behold, over one hundred years later, they’ve had to give it back. Another apartheid state, Israel should take note. These problems don’t go away, no matter how superior your army may (all due respect to King Cetshwayo and Isandlwana) have been at one stage.
What “wars” would these be?
That’s the sort of offensive bullshit Israeli propaganda I referred to my earlier post.
And so is that.
Have you been living under a stone? They did carpet bomb them. Compare photos of Dresden in the second half of February '45 and Gaza today. Spot any difference?
The acceptable response for Israel to have taken was prevention. Back in 1995 after the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin they should have hunted down the evil right wing elements in Israeli society that did it, and neutralised them. The progress towards a two state solution should have been accelerated not derailed.
Given that Gaza has been a concentration camp since 2007, while the Israeli Government used Hamas as excuse to prevent any progress on the two state solution, is it a surprise that Oct. 7th happened? I don’t think so. It should have been a wake up call that suppressing the Palestinian people, in Gaza or the West Bank was not a long term solution for peace. But since the evil rightwing, fanatical religious element that had killed Rabin are now in power and pulling Netanyahu’s strings slaughter ensued.
So, I consider Israel to be a rogue state run by people who are no better than the Nazis were. I hope that they pay a heavy price, individually and as a Nation, for slaughtering children on such an industrial scale. The sooner the arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant are issued the better, hopefully Smotrich and Ben-Givr will join them. And I think serious sanctions should be put in place to punish Israel economically for what it has done.
As for the US, while limiting Ukraine’s use of imported weapons to defence, they have allowed Israel to use US weapons to slaughter children in the occupied (ie invaded) territories. So while both Ukraine and Isreal both have the equal right to defend themselves, the US use condones the full use when it’s used against women and children, not against a World Power that might bite back and harm US interests.
Grow up. Israel is lying, it has lied from the very beginning about everything. That’s why their snipers have been targeting journalists, to suppress the truth. They have taken out whole apartment blocks to “kill” one Hamas member, who may or may not have even been there. Their killing machine is AI driven did you know that? A foul model that dictates what buildings they take out.
And it continues…
Anyway, I think you are either pushing an agenda or incredibly naive, one way or the other. So with these immortal words… Good Night and Good Luck, I’m out 
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In over 2,000 years nothing has united the different factions of the Levant.
Until now.
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According to my Penguin historical atlas of sub-Saharan Africa, yes, the Zulus were comparative late-comers to what is now Kwa-Zulu Natal, but the peoples they displaced were mainly Xhosa and Tshwane who had also centuries earlier migrated from the north and displaced or intermarried with the indigenous Khoi-San. Unintended or not all, these displaced peoples today have their own regions, and in the case of the Xhosa have formed the majority ethnic group in several post-Apartheid governments.
Your example of the comparatively recent and brief Soshangane kingdom doesn’t seem that relevant in an argument about the inhabitants of Palestine, who’ve been there for millennia.
Lastly, friction between indigenous groups in present day SA is primarily about political power not physical territory.
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It was a silly point for Toxic to have tried to make, because it is exactly the argument of the religious extremists in Isreal, “we were here 2,000 years ago and we want it back”.
I don’t know how much proof, from how many sources it takes to prove Israel is probably the most dangerous, out of control bunch of murdering bastards on the Planet today. Forget mad dog Putin, it’s Israel that needs to be reigned in. They know they have a window between now and the US election and they will do their damnedest to cause mayhem and suffering. That’s Genocide Joe’s legacy.
The challenge for every political party in America is the large (~7.5 million) that represent 2.4 of the voting public. Not huge compared to the aggressive NRA contingent but comparatively influential due to wealth and influence in the entertainment industry. Not every Jewish American person supports the actions of Israel, a foreign state, but the dynamic is something that every electoral candidate feels the need to take into account.
“Not in my name”, says this holocaust survivor. x.com