Hey all, new here and trying to see if i can get some help on understanding how things work here in France for track only motorcycles (No lights, signals, mirrors, etc…)
As far as i can tell here looking at the track near to me outside of paris, is your moto eifher needs to be roadworthy with everything on it (lights, signals, everything)or a dedicated track moto which would have had to be declared not fit for roadworthiness
Looking at the latter, it seems that a vehicule declared this way would not be able to be sold to another individual and since 2009 would need to be sold to a shop to be destroyed, cant even sell it for parts, yet i see plenty of track motos being sold on leboncoin, most stating they have carte gris
Following the update requiring ct, im perplexed how its possible and if these are all illegal sales at this point, or if there is some other method to declare a moto for “sports use” or similar making it legal for transfer ownership
Thanks in advance for anyone who can offer help here
It might well be that not many of our number do actually have “track only” vehicles… so detailed replies might be a while coming…
Meanwhile, why not make enquiries at the track which you say is near to you…
A good chinwag with like-minded people can be very instructive and enjoyable.
Off the top of my head… I think a CG is irrelevant for a track only vehicle, CGs are for road vehicles. I mean Red Bull don’t get their cars CG’d
So, I’d guess if a bike on BC has a CG it is a road vehicle that has been modified for track use and can be modified back and sold as road bike.
I’d pals years ago that used to ride their bikes to an event and then strip off the road going stuff, ride in the races and, after a few pints in the club house, put the lights, indicators and mirrors back on and ride home
Near is a bit relative here, though I’ ll also try a trackday forum in my broken french and hope for the best
Id imagine this as well and with the new laws, it means they would be illegally selling without the CT needed to transfer the CG to me, so I’d worry about the fact they would be retaining it or issues with me buying it without
For the few bikes I see labeled pour le piste, they mention no CT, carte gris, so I’m hoping to figure out if there is a special method to not make that an illegal sale under the law
The info Im going off of is from Circuit Carole: * Toute machine présentée sans plaque d’immatriculation et sans feux se verra refuser si son titulaire ne possède pas les documents correspondants aux motos ou side-cars non-immatriculés.
So, it seems its possible to get some papers, and actually mandatory to prove it is a track bike there, but the only thing I find naturally is about mini motos demanding declaration , though Illl keep looking, thanks!
I read on the internet earlier this week that if you are a member of the IFF, which is an off road sports organisation you can have a competition licence that exempts your dirt bike from the CT regulations thereby allowing you to ride it on the road. Don’t know what IFF stands for though. I am looking for a Suzuki DR350 that will fit into the back of our motorhome, but most enduro bikes in France have no indicators, horn, etc that would be required for a CT, hence my search for a suitable bike continues.
A colleague of mine does all sorts of off-road activities with cars in France & else where, type Paris Dakar now Rallye Dakar etc. I asked him about bikes, and here’s what he told me.
IIRC…
You need a CG / written documentation of ownership & track insurance for the specific track or event, in case of accidents/hospitalisations etc
the only lights during the daytime for motorbikes are rear-end brake lights
As I understand things, from the link you’ve provided…
Owners of an endurance or trial motorcycle, holding an FFM license, will not need to put said motorcycle through the standard CTechnique…
However, this does not give carte blanche to use said motorcycle on a Public Road.
Is this your understanding, too ??
(A friend with a racing car, which is not road-legal… always transports the car to wherever he will be having the “fun and games”… although I’ve no idea of the paperwork involved.)
Hi Stella
you have read the article same as me, so you have to make your own assessment of what you’re allowed to do. I’m a biker, but I do not ride off-road, although I’m looking for a Suzuki DR350 off road bike at the moment for our motorhome. These exemption regulations will not apply to me, as I shall buy a road legal bike. There are several articles about this exemption on the internet, not just this one.
It’s sad for many occasional off roaders, as most of these bikes don’t have lights, indicators or horns so I can’t imagine what that will do to resale prices or the impact upon dealers who import such bikes.
I did some more research and browsed some trackday sites and there are quite a few people pointing to this procedure which is specifically referring to mini-motos and quads, while at the same time a blanket coverage for any powersports vehicle capable of over 25kmph
En pratique, il s’agit notamment de mini motos (moto cross, pocket bike, dirt bike, pit bike…) et de quads .
It even notes motocross there, making it a bit less vague, but still it leaves a lot to be desired if this would suffice for a 600, 750 or 1000cc sportbike
Ive also discoverd the FFM license ill need anyway for trackdays and was hoping to find more concrete info there but sadly no… the search continues to be sure
