Carte de Sejour - European Citizen Spouse

Bonjour everyone!

I have recently moved to France (the Pyrenees) from the UK - within the last month.

Today we sign a year long lease for an appartment and with proof of address sorted, I am keen to apply for my Carte de Sejour.

My husband has EU citizenship, and we are both self employed (we own a small UK-based business).

I have been scouring the French govt websites, Youtube, this forum, etc to try and understand:

  • Does my husband need to apply for a Carte de Sejour before I can apply for one? I swear I read this somewhere but perhaps it was a hallucination!

  • If he doesn’t NEED to does it still make sense that he will apply/we can apply simultaneously? He seems to feel he doesn’t need one but I am inclined towards having paperwork in order.

  • Finally, it appears to me that I need to fill out this form (to make an appointment at our local prefecture) and then attend with the required documents. Is there anything else I need to know?
    Première demande de titre de séjour - 1/12

Thanks in advance, have been lurking on the forum over the last few weeks before joining up today, you seem a lovely bunch!

Eve

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He doesn’t need to apply before you, or even at all if he wishes.

For you to apply, the information is here and the application process is online these days.

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Not wanting to be picky, but you have registered your business here and arranged to pay tax and cotisations here?

Running a foreign business here could open you up to paying corporation tax which I doubt would please you!

Welcome Eve…My (EU citizen) wife and I (a Brit) have discussed this issue several times. She has NOT applied for one. She thinks the only possible advantage of applying is that you have an easily recognisable (to French authorities) form of French ID if you don’t fancy showing your passport whenever ID is needed, which has been relatively rare to be honest. I don’t think she relishes the inevitable amount of paperwork required (some 25+ documents for a renewal for example) unless it proves essential to have one, which it currently isn’t.

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No, the business is completely based in the UK and will not be registered here :slight_smile:

Thanks George, very helpful!

Thanks, very helpful, appreicate it John!

You might like to look at this

https://www.impots.gouv.fr/international-professionnel/questions/une-entreprise-etrangere-peut-elle-etre-soumise-limpot-sur-les?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1VALxzhd54Y_qfxE4rFpE_kkJ_TMh8LgK7ndx_VtENE-0vOPm1wgGgioM_aem_cwbtNOvtIFY8xnZPZ_3MhQ

You will of course have to declare all your worldwide income here.

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1è demande membre de famille UE sans numéro étranger (1).pdf (2.5 MB)

Eve, you might find this helpful- it shows the exact step by step screens you’ll come across when you apply online for your first CdS.

No way!! Thank you so much George :pray: PDF downloaded ready for my application this week. Appreciate it!

I started trying to go through the website earlier but realised I needed a bit more patience than I have available today :joy:

Thank you Jane appreciate the information!

There are some others. For example apps that are being rolled out that require a French ID, the Carte Vital app and La Post numeric ID to name but two. Perhaps in the future these and others will accept non French IDs but if you want to use them now one is required.

I was surprised that not while actually needing one, I could still get one. Getting it was a doddle and it’s valid until 2034, so I suspect I won’t be bothered about a renewal.

It’s also sort of nice to have, it completes the circle started with my first CdS in August 1981.

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Thanks John helpful to know! I think this has tipped the balance for us - we’ll apply for it.

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In order to use FranceConnect+ those of us sans papier (or whatever you would call it now, dematerialized) will probably need to go through the bother and get a CdS.

https://franceconnect.gouv.fr/franceconnect-plus

I have heard of cases where an EU citizen has gone through the bother of uploading umpteen documents to ANEF and then been rejected, saying basically “You don’t need this- don’t bother us”, when in fact, you DO, or will need a CdS in order to transact digitally with the man.

It’s going to be my winter project- I have just done a version of this to get my wife a CdS as spouse of an EU citizen (me), so its basically the same stuff.

And, btw, they can’t reject requests for these by EU citizens- it is provided for in EU and French law.

While the La Post app is happy with a CdS the France Identité one doesn’t currently support them. Maybe in due course. I normally use my Impots logon for France Connect, I haven’t tried the La Post app yet.

Excellent Gallic shrug in that cartoon. :smiley:

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Has anyone actually trotted along to a post office armed with, say, their Irish passport as opposed to a residence permit with more than 5 years’ validity, and tried to sign up for an Identité Numérique La Poste (which would allow you to access FranceConnect+)?

Having just laboured for 3 years to get my husband Irish citizenship through marriage I don’t have the energy for any more CdS shenanigans.

Correction. Have just found complaints on the internet about this very problem. Sigh.

I didn’t see anything indicating that you could sign up at a post office. It’s all done on the app itself. It redirects you you to an online application that reads your ID, holograms and all and takes your photo, face on and three quarters, and then verifies it, which takes a few hours, so maybe human intervention. If the verification fails I think you can trot along to the post office and they’ll verify the Id for you. But basically the application is via the app.

It’s rather like the UK ID Check app (which is a cool bit of S/W) or EU Login.

But it doesn’t accept an EU passport?

https://www.plus.transformation.gouv.fr/experiences/3973705_franceconnect-inaccesible-aux-etrangers-meme-si-son-utilisation-est-obligatoire

I see one of the complaints - on a French gov site - has at least elicited assurances from the authorities that changes are afoot:

Réponse du service (France connect)

Bonjour,

Concernant les ressortissants de l’UE, des évolutions sont à venir… Nous ne vous avons pas oublié.

Malheureusement, je ne peux pas vous donner de délais ni de détails sur la manière dont vous pourrez vous connecter.

En attendant, vous devez utiliser les alternatives de connexion.

I’m sure it will all be sorted out in due course. Validating a passport vs a French ID will probably require different technology. The slick UK ID Check app used my phone to scan the biometric chip in my UK passport.

So rather than wait I just got the CdS. It wasn’t too onerous.