I can’t understand why you are confused.
I am deploring your I’m all right Jack attitude.
Just because you are not a linguist does not mean that you will be a worse citizen and at over 70, why should it really matter at all.
He tries his best and our friends appreciate that.
Having a PhD means that his not an unintelligent person and he has problems differentiating the sounds.
I give up
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I know full well that this thread is entitled Carte de Sejour, what’s the latest.
There are probably many older people who would have wanted to go for citizenship and the rules have changed. That is the latest.
Perhaps you have not noticed but threads do diversify and the Carte de Sejour and citizenship are related subjects in that both enable us to stay in France.
but with different benefits… I recall in your case Jane you are more concerned about losing your FOM rights to visit family in Germany which citizenship will confer whilst CdS will not confer any additional rights other than to a limited stay as per any 3rd country citizen.
Have I understood your concerns correctly?
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Yes, you are right as far as my freedom of movement is concerned.
It does seem hard that, unless you are in the fortunate position of Alec Gray, we now have to rely on the Carte de Sejour to stay in France. Yet another change to the rules whilst we have lived here and
this time, over which we have no say.
Of course threads drift, and that’s the fun of a forum. However Alec asked a specific question, and in your comment it wasn’t clear that you were drifting (which is of course acceptable) onto a different area. It would be easy for people casually browsing the thread to pick up that language test might ne needed for CdS.
If your OH can mange in day to day life, chat to friends, read the news, watch a TV programme, etc then he should be able to achieve the language test? And if he has problems such as deafness then there is leeway for him to he supported through the spoken interview. The other option is of course for you to apply, and then he can apply once you are French as your spouse where the rules are less strict.
And if you do want to join your family in Germany and get a residence permit even as a european you would have had to have had basic German to same sort of level. Unlike France used to be, you can’t just stay under the radar. So not sure what the difference will be?
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We could stay in Germany for longerwith French citizenship than with a CdS.
Jim would have difficulty watching a French tv programme. He is not deaf, just doesn’t have the ear for language.
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Jane, have a look at this -
You might find that visiting your daughter in Germany is much easier than you thought.
Out of interest, this is the only reference I can find about the language issue and it dates back to March 2019 with announcements supposed to have been made in the summer (2019) but I don’t recall having seen anything further…
It’s been discussed for quite a while now…here’s the current position
https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F11926
The TCF test is pretty straightforward.
I don’t want to just visit her. I wanted to be able to move to Germany as an EU citizen, not taking German nationality.
avec sauerkraut mmmmmmNot a sauerkraut fan.
There is a wonderful restaurant in Munich where you can have a plate of pork, duck and schnitzel if you can’t make up your mind!
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I know it’s none of my business Jane but I just don’t get this. You say you want to move to Germany but in reality how likely is this say within the next five years and how will your husband cope with another language to learn?
Would you have been in any different position pre-brexit? I believe that Germany has always had the requirement for all foreign nationals, EU or not, to apply for residency if you intend to stay there. And doesn ‘t their residency (not citizenship) include a requirement for basic language skills?
Germany has always been much tighter than France or Britain towards other EU citizens moving there. Until you have your residency certificate you really can’t do much at all, not even rent a flat.
I really can’t imagine living in a foreign country without a basic understanding of the language and in my experience language learning has far less to do with intelligence than making an effort. It’s a case where the more you put in the more you get out.
Some of you might find this interesting if you’ve not yet seen it.
although i have been through (successfully) the nationality process in nouvelle aquitaine, i was about to add that being deaf did allow my french wife at the interview to re-pose questions _ which i still answered in french; as this apparent change is important to note; participation in french life is far more important than indicated, so yes clubs associations are important - even art classes - and a couple of samples of french projects is no bad idea;
i certainly did not know the regional differences that apply, another important thing to note;
well worth the placement david, well done!
(yes apologies yet again for no caps etc;, still one finger one hand working!)
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My concern was if and when I become too frail to look after ourselves here we would move to Germany.
My daughter is fluent and she is married to an Austrian and the boys are bi-lingual.
We already have CdeS here.
Unfortunately this is not now available to me and I feel mightily peeved.
I really don’t understand this. There is a straightforward german family reunion visa for both EU and non-EU nationals joining family in Germany. You would have had to apply for the EU version pre-Brexit. Now you will have to apply for the non-EU version. The process and requirements are pretty much the same. So I don’t get why you are saying you can no longer plan to move to Germany if necessary.
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unfortunately jane, not something your fellow countrymen gave two hoots about _wasn’t it ids who labelled
uk expat pensioners as rich liberty takers with our swimming pools etc; or words to that effect; as we have seen a bit of spite and created envy goes a long way in today’s world;