Changing from wood central heating to gas due to disabilities

Hi,

does anyone have any experience in changing from woodburning central heating to changing to gas boiler central heating with a gas cylinder in the back garden because we’re in a little hamlet and there’s no main gas here.

I’d like to know how much roughly it would cost to install a boiler and cylinder? We have wrought iron radiators, 6 and the woodburner can be used just for the lounge after changing. We were 25 years younger when we came here, but now we are both handicapped and my husband is my carer. And it’s got to much for him now, we have a huge 1 and a half garden and you can only get the wood within 60 metres of the house which means my husband has to bring cut and bring 15 cubic metres to the house with a little trailer on the back of the mower, and it’s too much for him, he’s already had a heart attack 11 years ago and has rheumatoid arthritis, along with a percent need for a walking cane after slipping off a roof and landing in a rockery while working. A sudden rain burst, wet the ancient dust on the wood that he was covering, it made it slippery, and it was just as he was covering the last bit that he slipped off the roof and smashed his heel bone to pieces. It could have been much worse.

We need to change our heating ASAP, last winter was very cold because he just couldn’t get enough wood down to the house, and look after me.

I’m wheelchair bound. And because we have a lot of steps on the ground floor, due to living on a slight hill, I live upstairs on the level floor, mostly alone.

If anyone has any idea at the cost of filling the gas tank each year? That would be really helpful too!

We already have a gas boiler downstairs in the laundry room for there and the shower room next to it.

Thank you in advance! :smiley:

Welcome, and I wish I had more direct experience to offer you.

Presumably you have thought through the different options as I believe cistern gas is the most expensive way of heating, plus the significant cost of the stove and installing the cistern itself? Looking online it seems to be over €5000, and possibly up to €10000. Some wood stoves can be converted to use compressed wood logs which are much easier to deal with - because the advantage of wood stoves is they don’t need electricity to function. If you are somewhere that does get electricity cuts perhaps that is something to think about if you haven’t already as would need a much smaller capital outlay.

We have just moved house partly due to my rheumatoid arthritis which is getting worse, so not able to look after large house, gîte and large garden as we did. Admiration to your husband for managing! I imagine moving might have been something you have contemplated? It was an awfully hard decision, and the whole process has been incredibly stressful (and we’re not quite through it yet) but I’m already seeing/feeling a brighter future. And I know it was right to do it now while we still could as has been very hard work. So sometimes a bigger radical solution might be the answer?

Good luck. Hopefully someone with direct experience of gas will be along soon.

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I thoroughly agree with @JaneJones about the benefit of the light weight compressed wood logs that you can buy in Brico stores. We came 20 years ago and loved our Godin wood stove. OH used to use a chain saw to cut the wood logs that he bought each winter. A near miss with the chain saw and the sheer drudgery of bringing the heavy logs into the house means that I am delighted we have gone over the the compressed wood logs (buches), which both of us can handle easily. OH buys them by the pallet load, we have a trailer so he collects them, but the brico place would deliver.

They burn hot, so make a good fire.

It means we keep our stove but life is easier.

We haven’t had to do anything to our stove - we’ve just started using the buches instead of ordinary logs.

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My neighbour regrets installing a gas tank before the orange loon started. He paid 2500€ or thereabouts for a tonne and expects it will go up in line with his antics.

May I suggest that you look at air sourced heat pumps? They will not do anything for your hot water, but you say that this is covered by gas in your laundry. The TVA has been reduced to 5% on these now and they are reasonably easy to install compared to a new gas installation, so they might just fit your needs…

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How are they on ash/dust Sue. We haven’t used our wood burning stove for ten years because of my asthma, in fact we should never installed it. But it does create a cheerful atsosphere. are the buches pretty clean?

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Air to water? If we had rads I’d be considering something similar. Our air to air are fine but aging.

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My son uses them only too. Buys a pallet from a specialist supplier some 40kms distant but has to collect with both cars. They don’t have anywhere to store actual wood so these are ideal in the garage being uniform in size and they do burn very hot indeed. For when they run low but do not want a new pile they buy some in the brico

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Wood-fired heating is polluting (fine particles, which are very harmful to health). Gas heating is expensive and prices aren’t going to fall. Why not consider a heat pump?

The buches themselves, before they burn, are friable and can be dusty. So I would suggest, not for you.

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Gas is a money bit, don’t go there.
We had a rental cottage in Perigord Noir. A beautiful 2 bed riverside cottage in amazing surroundings. Never had a problem renting on yearly contracts. We had a large submerged gas tank in the garden that provided all heating and hot water requirements.
Firstly you cannot buy the supply tank, it has to be rented which often ties you to a specific supplier. A large deposit is required upfront for the tank which is not refundable until house is sold and even then, unless the new owner takes on the tank rental getting the deposit back is a nightmare. There are various supply contracts, either buy when you need it or a regular top up arrangement. I recall there was a minimum purchase quantity of 500 litres. This tank held 2000 litres when full.
When we sold the cottage 500 litres was costing around 600 euros, couldn’t say how much now but it mist certainly will not be less.
Our tenants used about 2000 litres per season and used it wisely, often adding a layer of clothing rather than turning the heating up.
Consider any form of heating.
I have great sympathy with your situation as ran a woodburning system in France for 18 years which was ultra efficient and cost effective mainly due to having a local woodyard that sold excellent seasoned oak and my input of fetching, carrying, loading, cutting and feeding the system.
Like your husband it became a chore rather than a pleasure so like @JaneJones we reluctantly sold and moved to a manageable abode and it has been the best move of many we have done, it perfectly suits our tine of life.
I feel for your situation and wish you well.
Whatever you decide, don’t install a gas system.

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Cast iron rads and often a larger diameter piping in France can be ideal for air source heat pumps, you will need a competent heating company that can carry out a heat loss survey rather than just a plumber fiiting air source heat pumps. You may need to increase the number of radiators as the system would be designed to run at about half the temperature of a boiler for maximum efficiency so requires more surface area of radiators. The sustem is also not on off like a boiler but low and slow so running for many many hours at a low flow temperature, the effect is a constant comfortable space without the peaks and troughs of a gas boiler going on and off. You require the right sized heat pump as some try to persuade buyers to take much larger ones that end up running inefficienctly and expensively.

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I thank all 3 of you for your responses.

My yearly cost for oak wood is 1,200€. But you still need electricity for the pump expansion system.

We have a generator for power outages, because you can’t just have the lounge fire going without the pump, or the heat in the wraparound water tank will explode!

We said, when we moved here, that we would never move again, because it was so stressful- now I know why the French don’t move house as often as us brits do!- not only that, but where we live, is so beautiful, and totally secluded, peaceful, we have a large 1 and a half acres parkland garden, full of wildlife, and a swimming pool sized pond filled with Koi and a Smaller one for fancy goldfish for the wildlife, and it has a small town with everything you need, 4 kms away, and a main Rd access to just about anywhere you want to go in any direction within 3-4 kms.

We’re not quite ready to return to the UK, we don’t have family there anyway and the last short visit back in 2018 was … horrible, too many people, too many cars, too much noise, everything is full of technology, that’s not our bag at all. We don’t have children, or grandchildren. No pull there then.

So, we are trying to make life easier on ourselves here.

I’ve looked into air to heat exchange, on a VERY honest website, that supplies them. They say they need maintenance because of dust ( which is getting worse and worse each summer, we’re heading into our fourth heatwave in August! ). They say the heat ratio is, 60/40%, compared to 60/75% for wood heat.

Our house is 325 years old, it has 17 windows and doors, all double glazed. Double insulation in all the rooves/ roofs for the younger generations, lol! And the temperatures just wouldn’t be good enough here, particularly on really cold days in winter.We have mostly stone floors downstairs and wood venirs over insulated concrete in the lounge, diner, kitchen, partially open plan, with vaulted ceilings.

We can’t afford to put in underfloor heating.

( At the moment the only air to heat pump is our tumble dryer that takes twice as long as a conventional dryer but at the 3rd of the cost. Its 10 years old now and still going strong, but you do have to de-lint every time you use it for best results ).

And I suppose for active people, that would be enough. but I’m not active. I have extra fleecy blanket everywhere, even for my 3 cats! And it’s still very cold waking up in a 15º bedroom because the fire went out overnight.

So, air pumps are off our list. And Gas by the sound of it, due to the USA’S illegal war, making prices rise sharply now.

When we moved her 13 years ago, we had an oil central heating system for the last half of that winter. Which cost, back in 2013, 3,000€! which we changed within 5 months to our 16 kW wraparound woodburning stove. We’d had a 12 kW woodburning wraparound stove at our last house here in France, and it was so lovely just having one wood stove, and 22º heat in every room in our L shaped house. So we had plans to put a bigger one in here anyway.

Our hot water for the upstairs bathroom is from an eco water tank in the Attic. It is brilliant. but too far away to service the kitchen or downstairs shower room and laundry room because one has a different roof, the other doesn’t because it valted and is nowhere near as high as the bathroom Attic. Over 325 years, this house has been added onto 4 times and has 5 rooves/ roofs. The kitchen hot water comes from a small instant hot water tank under the sink. The worst investment we made. 200€ for water that is only hot if you trickle it out of the tap, it’s no word of a lie to take 5 minutes to fill the large sink bowl and it’s a 5 kW heater! So recently, we stopped using it and my husband uses a bucket of hot water from the upstairs bath tap. Not only is this quicker and much more convenient but our electric bills dropped considerably. So we tried it on other high kW items. We stopped using the microwave, the toaster, the electric kettle by that I mean we would boil it once for a cuppa in the morning, put the rest into a flask and tacos it, :wink: so I could still have cups of tea in the day, my husband drinks mainly water or iced tea, and our electricity bills dropped from 500€ for a winter bill, then cut by a 240€ deduction by the French gouvernment, leaving 260€ to pay, but in the last year, our 2 winter bills to pay in May, 2025 and 2026 were, 139€ and 141€ respectively.

So, I haven’t heard about buches ( I’m not sure about the spelling )

How much are they? Where would they be bought from? apart from a DIY shop which are expensive where I live in North Deux-Sevres.

And are they the same as the ones you buy at the beginning of the year if you haven’t had a chimney sweep, which my husband does everything September. ( It’s very handy having a builder for a husband :grinning_face:).

So, I’m looking at bushes now, so who ever knows about them, please, could you give me all of your experiences with them? :smiley:

Thank you all for your responses, and in advance for any others, on the buche logs. :+1::crossed_fingers::folded_hands:

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This gives you an idea of the bûches. But I have no idea of whether this company is reliable

And I entirely understand not wanting to move! We didn’t either, but also couldn’t cope with watching our beautiful garden go to wrack and ruin because we could no longer look after it. Time for the younger generation.

And whilst stressful the move has proved rejuvenating! We spent the first 4 months after moving living like students :rofl::rofl:.

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I love your fighting attitude Weebs and hope you find a great solution to keep you and your husband cosy and happy!

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I’m not a fan of underfloor heating. When I renovated our Dublin family home in 2002 I put in a pretty sophisticated UF system with loads of zones and controls. The upside was we had large amount of glass and no rads cluttering things up. The downside was that UF is really just a big storage heater, so the heat you have today is the heat you needed yesterday. It can’t react sufficiently quickly in a climate that can have all four seasons in a day. I suppose in northern countries where it gets consistantly cold in autumn and doesn’t warm up until spring UF makes sense. It was also very expensive to run. We sold the house in 2019 and I’d hate to think how much the gas it uses costs today.

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It can be confusing because places like Gamm Vert and the brico retailers also sell cut oak, or mixed woods on pallets and they call them “buches” as well. Like this:

We prefer to go to retailers in town because they know us, we know them. They are on hand if there are any issues and the pallets are on display in the store the minute we are into autumn.

These are what we buy (as Jane has shown)

I disagree with their claim “sans poussieres”. As I’ve said to M Lapin above they are friable and do leave residue round the stove when being handled. Easily hoovered up.

We keep an eye on Gamm Vert and Briconautes prices and buy from each of them. Not as cheap as “proper” wood, but so much easier to handle and keeps OH well away from the chain saw. I don’t know what he did and never want to know, but he was very lucky.

PS: Your life here sounds very much like ours. Old house in the country, with land and wildlife but the joy of good communications and a local town that has all the facilities. A lovely place to be. :slight_smile:

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Have you looked at pellet boilers. We replaced our oil fired boiler last year with a pellet(granules) boiler. It utilises the existing radiators and works really well. The pellets can be purchased in 15kg bags in a number of places. If you have the space you can have a storage sack or silo which a supplier will fill for you.

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I think if we were starting again, we would go for a pellet boiler - there are some very attractive designs, they throw out so much heat and are very easy to manage and they really do have minimal dust/ash.
You also can have designs where you see the flames, so almost like an old fashioned stove. :slight_smile:

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Can you explain that please as I dont get the meaning?

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That’s expensive. A stère of oak cut to 33cm was €85 collected at my local wood dealer last year.

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