Climate/ecological breakdown

I have been trying to implement the change at work for the new restaurant to be electric only not gas but the supply transformer locally cannot take the additional load. My point to the assembled comittee is we should reduce the load by better engineering of the building thus allowing the restaurant to be electric. Falling on deaf ears at the moment.

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Yes - on a smaller scale I’m trying to persuade my wife to move from our gas hob to electric - no easy task when experienced and accomplished cooks have preferred gas for decades.

We always had gas for cooking in the UK, and it was far superior in many ways. When we moved here, we got an induction hob, which is almost as responsive as a gas hob and far better than any other type of electric hob.

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We changed from gas to induction. The only problem was with some of my pans, but that was easily resolved. I wouldn’t choose to go back to gas now.

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Nothing quite as controllably sensitive as gas BUT, electric induction hob is an excellent and definitely cost saving alternative.

In the past decade I’ve had the pleasure of kitchens with everything from Aga through flame to induction and can assure your beloved that she would love induction after a week. Very quick (sometimes too quick!) to heat/cook, very easy to keep clean and a doddle if you have a spill, and no pot on top means not heat, so will not be a danger to the visiting grandchild/children

The only caveat is that you might need some new pans. Le Creuset works! And we who absolutely insist on coffee made in traditional Bialetti Brikka expresso pots, easily found a handy under plate converter by Bialetti that provides the necessary contact for the old aluminium pots.

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Same here. We had a relatively expensive set of stainless steel pans that we had for about 20 years. We assumed they would work on the induction hob, but they didn’t. They were still in really good condition and we sold them on leboncoin for a good price. We then bought exactly the same set of pans, which then did work with an induction hob, online from the UK when they were on offer for a price less than we got for the old set. Result :+1:

The only other caveat is, you can’t have induction if you have a pace maker. I’m hoping someone will know if this advice has changed for more modern induction hobs or is it something manufacturers have still to address?

That’s interesting, and I suppose sensible considering how they work. When there is no pan on the hob periodically sends out a ‘spike’ of energy … you can hear the clicking noise. This is used to detect if a pan is present. It’s probably that spike that pacemakers don’t like.

My new induction hob manual comes with a warning, in the manual. I wonder if anyone in authority, (anywhere), has given thought to it, in their rush to go all electric :thinking:.

Pacemaker owners are usually given a brief when they have one fitted, induction equipment and welders/plasma cutters are out, not that any of you would need a plasma cutter to cut up your cooking hahaha.

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It depends on who’s doing the cooking in our house, might come in handy when OH tries something new😂

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Gosh! That is alarming news. The BMF says you can use one but should keep your ticker at least 60cm away. I suppose that is arms length. May be a bit too worrying for those with a pacemaker then.

Some may use that as an excuse for OH doing tje cooking :joy:

Or OH may be the one with the pacemaker.

The fat old bloke stereotype. :stuck_out_tongue::wink:

Having had induction for 7 years and then cooked again on gas recently, I’d choose induction now. Control and evenness of heating is simply better.

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I’ve speculated before in this thread on why climate scientists are not having sufficient impact (the changes we need to make are fundamentally economic changes - and scientists are not economists - so they keep telling us how bad things are, and how much worse they will get unless we act - but not exactly how we make the necessary changes to our economies, or handle fall-out like mass unemployment).

Elsewhere on social media, in another kind of discussion - on Keynes’ prediction that everybody would by now be working just 2 days a week - I commented that

the main thing Keynes underestimated was the extent to which capitalism would simply drive into unnecessary production and consumption, because it must grow the economy continually. If we weren’t continually persuaded that we really need the latest gadget, dress, car or movie - even though there is no evidence that they make us any happier - and were not exploited by financial instruments like credit, rent, etc - then we could all be working 15 hours a week.

The insight missed by both Graeber and Keynes was surely the labour theory of value and consequent tendency for the rate of profit to fall - hence the necessity for growth in a capitalist economy and therefore its ultimate incompatibility with both human happiness and the natural environment.

To which one response was:
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This has sparked such mixed feelings. Cloé is a climate activist, actually working in a ‘green business’ (VivoLife) - yet clearly the basic economic drivers of climate/ecological breakdown are not being generally discussed in her circles.

Raising awareness of impending climate/ecological breakdown must of course continue, but a change of emphasis is needed, to promote the specific economic reforms that will actually mitigate it.

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Not to worry, all of our troubles are over, Rishi might not be going, who cares if Coffey is but Boris will attend! We are all saved :grinning:

Well Bonzocat, given the hell the UK has gone through recently and he’s just taken over, actually I think we can let that one slide.

Why? Isn’t it the clearest of insights into Sunak’s stupidity?

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