What about the Press… what about crowdfunding to raise money for your Legal Action…
makes me want to spit… I hate injustice…
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Thanks Stella, if spitting could solve this then by all means! I have no experience with crowd funding and can imagine it would take as long as the courts have done so far.
My question remains “Is the French judicial system fair?”
We were most of us brought up to believe that in the end justice prevails, but once we get experience of the real world most get indifferent and resigned to remain a slave.
This is of course trivial in comparison to families who have lost whole homes and family members due to bombing from ‘our bombers’ who are sent to ‘protect’ places such as Iraq, Libya and Syria. We just don’t know when we have it good. I feel ashamed to be spending my time on this instead of helping people who have suffered much greater injustices.
For those of you who are interested in the evidence, I have put it up on flickr, but only those with good spacial understanding can grasp what is shown here:
Well, lots of response.
France - nice country - shame about the people.
Since the judicial system is as twisted as one could imagine in an American horror movie I will leave the rest of you to get on with it. There are better places to live where criminals are hindered, where honesty is applauded.
When even the judges in France are openly seen to support illegal activity, then what sort of a farce have the citizens allowed to dominate?
Crippled people sprayed (by policemen - the protectors of the weak) with pepper spray in open public view - at some point any decent person would stand up and say enough is enough.
You have gone silent and accept without resistance?
Shame on you.
Well Kenneth, if your attitude is such you can bring multi nationals down ,you don’t really need support from a small forum somewhere on the internet do you? Pick your dummy up as you go
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Kenneth, Anger is an emotion born of impotence. If you don’t like something and can’t change it leave it. Move on and save yourself a heart attack (my new mantra)
I know it’s not what you want to do but have you thought about offering money to the neighbour?
You can’t blame everyone for one person’s actions.
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For a neutral explanation of the three square meters I have already spent €4500, but the three ladies had no balls and so just made their little soft remarks about it being ‘bizarre’ and got on with their lives.
He doesn’t want money.
You can blame bystanders for doing nothing. At least that is ILLEGAL in Germany. You can blame a judge for IGNORING evidence which shows CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, with the excuse that it was presented after a secret ‘deadline’. And that can be accepted as a fair system?
The bravest advice comes from the safest places.
Just a thought here… A wall is a physical boundary not necessarily a limitation of propriety, in the dim & distant past, did the owners have nieghbourly problems as you so have today. So the one which built the wall had the obligation to maintain the wall with out trespass & built the wall with the need of the 1.2m of access to do so on the other side?
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I was there for ten years without problems - then someone new arrived and declared his boundary beyond the boundary wall. see the photos of water-mill in flickr.com for more if you are interested. The above link I placed doesn’t look active.
Thanks for your comment. Not 100% sure I understand what you mean.
Bedtime…
Very simple, boundaries are physical not a limitation of propriety, for example someone planted a line of trees 100 years ago, 10 meters inside his limit of propriety to have access to the fruit & prune them to the limit of the neighbouring land & 100 years later the x generation neighbour claims the limitation of his / her propriety is the line of trees. You started the post saying it went back to Napoleonic times, God, knows what has changed twixt, but you didn’t say which,the wall or the limitation of propriety ? Did you have your land verified & marked by a geometre before you bought ? Maybe you should be looking along the lines of agreeing with your neighbour a right of passage between the wall & your propriety?
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Good suggestion Wozza, right of passage would be useful. No changes have been officially made since Napoleon. Thanks
Good advice.
A new lawyer has agreed to take this to the appeal court, but I am meeting the opponent today to see if we should make a gentlemans’ agreement to save ourselves 18 months of hassle and another few thousand euros by agreeing out of court.
thanks for your comment.
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good luck Kenneth, hope there can be an agreement, keep us informed.
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Hope all goes well.
I believed we met to make compromise but he remained rigid and demanded the ‘decision of the law’ to the centimeter. A waste of time but that is not the end of the waste. It will continue in the court of appeals.
According to two surveyors my gate post is in his land, according to my surveyor it is marked on the boundary, but the gate post has not been measured and only roughly drawn onto the plan.
A very disagreeable side of France, according to Dutch, British and German lawyers French law remains a primitive exercise, through which surveyors and lawyers make huge profits and about which there is nothing we can do.
I welcome the arrival of the Chinese to set things straight. At some point that is inevitable.
poor kenneth keen !
yes, he lost his case.
sometimes because the french courts do indeed rely on specialists that are not that specialized in a particular case.
oversleeping and not being present when one is supposed to be there when justice is handed out does not help.
dispensing justice in border-disputes rarely leaves both parties happy with the verdict.
yet, in the sense of ‘veritable truth’ he lost a valid case, which is sad and may explain his annoyance.
when going to court, just try and understand the local basics of law; being (possibly) morally superior will not help you win a case.
many ‘morally good’ cases have been lost because of sloppy conduct, stubbornness and/or lack of understanding of the processes.
crowd-funding will not help here, i’m afraid.
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no, by no means.
i do not represent him or his views, either.
When we took on our neighbour with the help of a young woman whose French language skills were superb, she told me something that I have bourne in mind every since - the French do not act illegally but amorally. I do not think she was referring to the legal system but the way local bureaucrats and people often behave - there is an arrogance and an “et alor” to it. You can win but it takes being as devious as they are openly amoral. We also took on EDF and won due to them trying to get us to sign a stricture to be placed on our land with no wording designated to our land but to lotisement housing - when they were placed electricity pylons. It is much the same here as it was in local councils in the UK in the 1960’s.