Derren Brown and Hypnosis

I watched Derren Brown’s latest show last night with a mixture of horror and fascination.

There is no doubt he is an extraordinary showman, but I do wonder about the long-term impact of his hypnosis, especially on his audience. With those on the stage, he can check that they come out of the hypnosis ok, but the audience? Some will be incredibly receptive. It’s the reaction to believing their reality (due to the hypnosis) is “correct” when the replay, etc shows it’s not. How do they reconcile their experience afterwards?

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Surprised governments havent hired him, or did they over Brexit? :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

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I met my wife at a School of Hypnosis. As you say “a mixture of horror and fascination”

I think we need a competition: “most interesting place met OH”. I think you’ve just won it Mik. :grin:

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I’ve been to a Derren Brown show many years ago - I took my French girlfriend at the time. It was enjoyable, I always liked his TV shows. I never succumbed to the hypnosis part though, although I wonder if it’s a more intense experience for those who go up on the stage. I also wonder how many people go along with the hypnosis because they’re astutely aware of how many eyes are on them, and feel like they don’t want to disappoint.

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I did just to please my wife who paid for the tickets for a birthday present but Derren soon worked out the ones faking it including me :joy:

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I worked on a radio station as a summer job when I was a student and it was assumed a 17 year old would be susceptible and make a suitable subject for an on-air, live, public demonstration of harmless hypnotism. I’ll never forget the ‘I’ll make you rigid as a board’ nonsense when I lay flat with my head on one stool and feet on another and I had to hiss at the hypnotist that sitting on me was out of the question. 2 or 3 hours in the pool every day doing IM meant I could make myself rigid but clearly I wasn’t susceptible at all. He found another victim in the audience who was much better than me.

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I got involved in hypnosis from a point of view I considered to be sceptical scientific interest. BUT It does not lend itself to scientific study because we are all unique and the same “techniques” do not work the same for each individual and are not reproducible by everyone. In fact, it is hard to define what hypnosis is or even if it exists but nevertheless most people think they know what they mean by the word hypnosis. George du Maurier has much to answer for with his fictional book “Trilby” and his character of Svengali.

My friend is a stage hypnotist but has had no training. His technique is to invite some volunteers onto the stage and then goes through the process of hypnosis following a standard routine. He also invites the audience to help the volunteers by trying to imagine what the volunteers are experiencing along with them. The final part of his spiel is for the volunteers to imagine their hands are stuck together. With a great deal of luck, one or more of the volunteers will find their hands are stuck together. Inevitably some of the audience will also have their hands stuck together. THESE are the ones he knows he can work with and invites them onto the stage in place of those who can free their hands and he starts his act which I must say is very entertaining.

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My previous dentist used hypnotism for patients who were frightened of needles/dentistry etc. He taught me a bit of self hypnosis to help me get to sleep each night during a particularly stressful time. It was a very relaxed state to be in and come out of.

Hypnosis works well for anything controlled by the mind. So stress, fear of pain and phobias are the most common problems dealt with. My wife had a client who wanted help with his fear of heights because it was affecting his work. When asked what his work was he explained that he was an installer of aerials. My wife declined explaining that some fears are actually useful.

Where hypnosis becomes very interesting is regression. There is past life regression where you take someone back to an earlier stage in their life. This is useful for people who stutter. No one is born with a stutter it is a skill that is learnt. Where regression becomes really weird and hard to believe is when people regress so far they describe previous lives they believe they have lived.

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Ah, were you the one who started to bark like a dog before he had even got going LOL?

Is the important word there ‘believe’? In other words they are not going back to real previous lives, just to ones that they believe in.

I have never been hypnotised and if offered the opportunity I am sure I would refuse. To me even the possibility that it might be genuine is anathema to me, to allow someone else such control.

Especially my fear of heights, which I do not want to lose. It kept me alive I am sure when, in the Merchant Navy I was up a mast with cleaning materials which I could deploy only for a few seconds each time I swung past it. That was between bouts of being not over the ship, but the sea, both sides. The mast got a very brief scrub each time I passed it. :astonished:

I fully believe masts should be mucky. :joy:

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No-one is born speaking though, whether with a stammer or not.

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Sounds like a cue for a Kylie Minogue song :wink:

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Unfortunately David, your view is representative of many people who have not experienced hypnosis. You are never controlled. You are always aware of what is being said. You can get up and walk away any time you choose. All that is happening is your consciousness is guided to stuff in your brain that you would not normally access. I don’t claim to understand it. I can assure you most people describe it as a pleasant experience and in no way feel thretned.

I was once employed by Alcan (Aluminium Company of Canada) to do some work in West Africa. On a day off, I bumped into the CEO on a sandy beach where we sat cooking fish we had caught. I mention this because this person was thousands of levels above my pay grade and on a normal day I would not even have access to his office block. In other words, he had no reason to impress a humble surveyor like me.

His story was that he paid his way through further education by offering hypnosis to anyone who asked. His speciality was helping with exam nerves. One day a man came along and asked if he would be able to help with his daughter’s terrible stammer. Something that is quite easy to deal with.

The daughter was very uneducated. She had always lived in California but had never even left her county. Anyway she took to hypnosis very well and he regressed her to a time before she stammered to show her the cause. During this process she started describing events she had experienced in previous lives. She was so convincing that, with her father’s permission and her consent he started making tape recordings of the lives she described. She described 6 lives in total but the one that we came to concentrate on was called Catherine of Dundee.

This life was so detailed that Dick Young (the aforementioned CEO) was able to do some checks and actually locate the place she said she lived. In fact, he got so involved that he took a trip to Scotland and found the house she described and started checking records of the people and events she had described.

For example, she said she had a boyfriend called McTavish who wore a certain tartan which she described so accurately that Dick was able to make a sketch of it. On his visit to Scotland he went to the tartan shop in Edinburgh and asked to see the McTavish tartan. Unfortunately, it was nothing like the one he had sketched. He showed the man his sketch and asked if he recognised that tartan which he did not.

Disappointed, Dick started to leave when the man in the shop told him that if he was serious about locating a tartan he should go and see a certain professor at Heriot Watt University which he did. Here he was shown the same tartan as in the shop. When he produced his sketch and asked the prof if he recognised it he said that he did and it as really interesting because that used to be the McTavish tartan up until a certain date (corresponding to Catherine’s story) but it was changed to the current version for family reasons.

Dick was impressed that such an obscure fact could be described by such an uneducated girl with zero experience of travel. However, several other facts she described were demonstrably wrong. So he was currently in the process of sorting the wheat from the chaff and intended to write a book on the subject and this is where I came into the story.

I lived in Scotland at the time and offered to help checking out more facts from any records that existed. Catherine’s story was that she was the daughter of a wealthy family and lived in a big house which she described in detail and where she was educated a where she travelled to etc. Many of the things she described could not possibly be true so Dick decide to confront her with these discrepancies.

Under hypnosis, she broke down and confessed she had been lying. She confessed she was not the daughter of the wealthy house owner but only the daughter of the house keeper there and was really just a servant in the house. She told Dick (while still under hypnosis) that if she had told him the truth he would not be interested in her.

From that point things started to click into place and I remember one incident very clearly. I had found an old plan of the house and it had what was obviously a very distinctive tower at the back. This was where she said she dumped the rubbish. She insisted it was not a tower but a place where they used to keep the horses. This made no sense because of its circular shape and location and the fact that there were stables shown elsewhere. After a lot of digging I found that the circular shape was not a tower as I thought but a mill where a horse walked round in circles turning a mill wheel to make flour but in Catherine’s time it had fallen into disuse.

Shortly after that Dick stopped answering my mail. He was much older than me and I guessed perhaps he must have passed on. I don’t think he ever published Catherine’s story but I still have a drawer full of research downstairs in my garage.

When the chance came to find out more about hypnosis I jumped at it although I still have more questions than answers.

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You are trapped by your politeness and willingness to please and not let down the hypnotist, I think. I was willing enough to go along with something that was no skin off my nose for the sake of my job, but drew the line at having that frightful man sit on my stomach while I had my neck on a stool and my feet on another.
In my case I thought the hypnotist was a bit of a creep and as I’m neither suggestible nor imaginative it was never going to work.

What ??? That sounds horrendous. The guy must be a complete charlatan.

Everybody is suggestible it is simply a matter of how it is done. Everybody is unique and will respond in different ways. I would venture to suggest that sitting on anyone’s stomach would have a negative effect on most people.

Well his claim to the audience was that as he had hypnotised me into being as stiff as a board, and proved it by lying on these two stools, he could then sit down as if on a plank. Obviously people in the south of France couldn’t begin to imagine the daily sports regime prevailing at Spartan Scottish girls’ schools so they couldn’t imagine I was able to do it.
No doubt he had some way of pretending to sit down but I wasn’t taking any chances.
Of course he was a charlatan.

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That is a shame Vero because hypnosis can do (and has done) an awful lot of good for many people. There are many charlatans about. Stage hypnosis is simply entertainment and does not reflect what happens when hypnosis is used in therapy. Darren Brown is a classic example. Yes, he does demonstrate some aspects of hypnosis but much of his act belongs more to the Magic Circle than pure hypnosis. I seem to remember him saying he utilises “perception without awareness”. It is pure theatrics. It is no more mysterious than a demo by David Niven and the like.

I have a party trick where someone freely chooses a card. I tear the corner off the card and hold that corner in my fist. I tell them to look in their pocket where they will find a corner of a card. As if by magic the corner of the chosen card has disappeared from my hand and the corner that they have in their pocket matches the chosen card exactly. It looks great but of course it has all been set up beforehand. Perception without awareness. You see the trick but have no idea how it was done.

On the other hand, if you had a headache for example, I guarantee that I could talk with you for around 5 mins and your headache would be gone. Is it a trick? Is it hypnosis? Who cares if your headache is gone.

Interesting. Your posts on electric vehicles have the opposite effect on me :grin:

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