Doing the decent thing…

Depends whether he’s stupid enough to try to call an election. I can see the logic in gaining a mandate but I don’t think it’s the right thing to do. ISTR the last time a PM did that (May) it did not go well.

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It might be a useful strategy, reducing the size of the Labour majority in order to make the MPs shape up!

Good riddance you genocide supporting ****.

Hope he quits political life.

As for Streeting - he is a useless individual who when Secretary of State for Health and Social Care completely ignored my correspondence when Bexley Council were trying to force my 99 old dying mother from her home.

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Can’t say i disagree. I’ve seen lots about him being a fundamentally good man, and I contrast that with his infamous quote (on LBC I think) that Israel has a legitimate right to cut off water and food to Palestine and the fact that it took him a hell of a long time to get any kind of a backbone as far as Israel’s genocide, the fact that rather than create an inclusive consensus he literally said to Labour members “if you don’t like what we’re doing, there’s the door and I say you can leave.”, so desperate was he and his Labour Together masters to remove any and all dissenting voices, his appalling behaviour towards the LGBTQ community, and so many other issues. Which is not to say Labour haven’t done good things too, but as someone who was a Labour member from as soon as I was old enough to vote / join, the damage the Labour Together/ Blue Labour project have done to the party means I won’t shed a tear, not least as Burnham seems to be surrounding himself with many of the odious characters that have caused the mess to start with.

Entirely agree about Streeting too, he’s an absolutely dangerous individual.

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Notwithstanding any genuine skeletons I would not want to be a politician these days. We seem to have worked ourselves into a situation where anyone in an elevated position must be torn down no matter whether they are (on average - nobody is perfect) doing the right thing in that position. Weaknesses must be found and exploited.

It’s getting really rither tiresome.

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The stupid thing is, it’s taken until his resignation speech for him to show emotion and use language which succinctly sums up what Labour has achieved and what he has achieved.

This is how he should have been behaving and communicating every week since he came to power.

It takes two sides for communication to work. If someone cannot understand/appreciate what you are saying then it is your fault for not saying it in a way that they can. This has been the fault of Starmer and the Labour party for two years.

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I think that’s stretching it more than a bit.

Starmer has a lot of good qualities, he does care about the UK and people. He’s intelligent, he’s not in it to make loads of money for himself and his mates, like so many in politics; Farage, Johnson and the like.
But leading a political party is not his bag.
Who really causes, and gains from the instability in the UK? Russia , certainly, the Far Right possibly.
How many days will we have to wait until Burnham gets attacked in the media?

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Not long, that’s how it works.

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Ok, yep, they’ve already started. That’s it, back to French T.V.

Bugger, they’ve got it on as well.

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It’s 50-50 I think, because most politicians nowadays (and supporters, if here is anything to go by) instinctively deny they’ve done anything wrong. They treat the electorate like they’re stupid or ridiculous (there’s a verb for it - gaslighting?). It’s not just Labour, of course, but Labour, having promised change, were immediately at it.

I think the electorate are smart enough to see when they’re being lied to, and to distinguish between really dishonest behaviour - Johnson, Rayner - from stuff that doesn’t really matter as long as you own up and are straight, like Starmer’s suits and specs.

It’s almost like the Russians are working subversively to cause instability, conflict and discontent in Western peaceable nations.

Now where did we see that before? was it Brexit?

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Today makes me feel incredibly sad.

I’ve always thought that good men don’t make the best politicians because it’s a shark pool and takes a shark to survive. Now, not only are rivals and opposition waiting with knives out from the start, but media trolls are setting an agenda for an ovine populace to follow.

Really makes me despair

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It’s difficult not to feel sorry for Starmer, because he made some very bad choices (in particular, someone he thought was Machiavelli but turned out to be just MacSweeney), but his main failing was that he just wasn’t very good at politics.

I’d say “not bad for a party led by a ‘failed’ PM” but nonetheless…

You do get the impression that some of these points are a bit forced though - especially No 100, and “set a target for” is easy, achieving the target is a bit harder.

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I thought something similar about Sunak when he stood on the very same spot 2 years ago… That was the first time I’d heard him be humble.

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Which of course pale into insignificance compared to the £5 million received for favours yet to materialise by one of those who shouted loudest about the said specs and glasses. At the Reform conference Farage said Starmer showed poor judgment accepting freebies from donors.

Mmmm well.

Interestingly, or perhaps not, on the news today for the first time I actually heard details of some of Starmers achievements, most notably on immigration.

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I clearly remember Farage walking up and down on a stage waving a pair of spectacles claiming he had paid for them himself - obviously having a dig at Starmer accepting a gift of designer spectacles.

Then he accepted a gift of £5,000,000

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With Farage that’s just the stuff that’s somewhat in the public eye at the moment.

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Divide and conquer