All my sweeping generalisations are founded by serious medical people like Prof Tim Spector.
If you have a valid counter argument love to hear it?
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I agree with @Corona about processed foods. Even for dogs.
Funnily enough, it is now, sadly a bit too late for mine, being discovered that a lifetime, particularly a youth of exclusively highly processed dried kibble dog food is not giving dogs the immunities they need.
To say everyone who eats processed foods is going be ill and need medication for the rest of their lives is just not true, everyone is different genetically.
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Yes they are, however the rise in diabetes, cancer, atherosclerosis shows not different enough.
Majority are susceptible.
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My point was, that if at first the person needs something that looks, or tastes like meat to take the plunge, this is okay. He/she can then progress to unprocessed food later, which, if they are doing it for health reasons, they probably will. The question is, are veggie processed foods healthier than meat processed foods? For the environment maybe?
Majority being susceptible is the same for most diseases and illnesses, it does not mean everyone will succumb, it’s not guaranteed.
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No, because they use far more emulsifiers and other junk to alter the stuff to mimick something its not
Why? Because of processed food which is making them ill.
No point in posting links because you have said you never look at them so it a bit of a hollow point from your side.
Where did I say I never look at them, bollocks.
So you are saying all diseases and illnesses are at the door of processed foods, really 
I am not saying processed foods are good for you I never have, I just don’t see everything from your fanatical viewpoint and don’t try to force it down people’s throats at every opportunity.
Present your evidence and let folks make their own minds up about it, just don’t preach if they disagree with you.
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Yes, but you’re forgetting the meat waste products in the meat sausages etc., full of saturated animal fat and who knows what else. The soya in the veggie products is much better, surely? (As long as it’s not gene manipulated of course).
What’s supposed to be wrong wrong with GM ?
It doesn’t change its macronutrients - simply makes it cheaper.
The tech helps minimise tillage and pesticide use.
Most GM soy is actually used to fatten-up animals.
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I put in the comment on GM for Corona’s sake to stop him getting sidetracked onto that subject 
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The diet I have arrived at over 40 years might most accurately be called “nutritarian” - though that also tends to make it “vegan” - but also “non-processed” … I’ve even given up brown rice with my evening meal and have stopped baking a small loaf of WM bread once a week …
So long as you get all the nutrients you need, if you are lucky enough to have amazing self-control, a little bit of anything is probably fine … and some lucky people were born with more fat storage than others so aren’t at risk from T2 diabetes even if they get a bit heavy…
Sadly I don’t have good enough self-control so I fight with myself to keep even muesli out of my shopping basket … and even an air-fryer would be too dangerous while I have 7 kilos or so to lose - it would make food tastier and more calorie-dense.
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What is wrong with saturated fat, unfortunately that is a long time intrenched Ancel Keys carry over still purportrated today but from all the studies it is actually of no relevance to issues. Body fat is different to fat eaten and most body fat is down to poor insulin control, back to sugars.
On keto I eat mostly fats and saturated at that, lost body fat and especially visceral fat (that was the objective) if eating saturated fat made you fat then that simply would not have happend.
Whats wrong with brown rice? I eat that in preference to white rice that has no fibre or nutrional benefit.
A heck of a lot of fast growing carbs are used to fatten up cattle as you say soy and also corn/maize, not part of their diet at all so we feed them stuff they shouldnt eat and what do we expect in return?
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I thought you were “keto” ?
Brown rice is too moreish.
I eat beans instead - though also a LOT of mushrooms - which have an amazing amount of protein per 100kcals.
As Roy Taylor’s research established, the problem is excess FOOD - all unused macros get stored - ultimately as fat - and once you’ve used up safe storage, in your liver and even worse the pancreas.
Good for you 
, you have found a diet that works for you, I doesn’t matter what others think, if it suits you go for it and enjoy life.
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I went “vegan” in 1981 - it was regarded as a bit peculiar at the time …
I had a bit of a reboot in 2015 and found that vegan was now conflated with “raw influencers” starving themselves to death … (in my mind I had tended to think of raw food people a bit like naturists)
… and now diet appears to have actually become Left-right political …
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Yes was full keto then low carb and pretty much std diet but no sugars.
Rice is a conundrum one of the few foods that raises blood sugar levels as most foods do but doesnt cause a dip later like most foods do.