EES - someday my prints will be done

It depends where you get your info, it seems.

Independent has 10 November, Times has 17 November.

I think crucially - given that’s less than 4 months away - the EU still hasn’t made an announcement, which leaves plenty of opportunity for further postponement!

The UK is/was planning its own similar scheme (though more along the lines of ETIAS) - possibility of something reciprocal, perhaps?

Thing is with all these schemes they will still want to take biometric information the first time you pass through the border - even if after that your ETIAS validation or whatever lets you go through with just a passport scan.

So I don’t see it making much difference as there will always be a fair few “first timers” going through each time and causing a queue.

TBH if there *isnt’t* chaos in the first few weeks/months I will be surprised.

Airports will probably be OK - after all most go through the e-gates anyway, I guess adding fingerprint scanners to those will be relatively easy. If they can put one in a phone I’m sure they can retro fit them to an e-gate.

GoK how it will work at ports.

They said 10th with a possibility to push back to 17th.

Yes, that’s one source.

The Times says differently: https://www.thetimes.com/travel/advice/what-is-the-eus-new-entry-system-and-what-will-it-mean-for-my-holiday-8grrwsgk9

And the EU is saying nothing!

I posted this before in 'EU family members which passport queue.

Mentions 17th November though it says the EU has ‘yet to set a date’ and “It is, however, understood that EES would not be rigorously enforced for all travellers at first, with a soft introduction and discretion to wave people through to avoid border queues and disruption.”

According to The Local, the introduction date has been set: Sunday, November 10 2024.

Let the fun begin!

By complete coincidence (not) our next trip over has been planned for 2nd to 9th :slight_smile:

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We let them know to expect you. :smiley: :smiley:

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OK, maybe I’m being a bit dim here but… (not directly about the EES, I know)…

If you are a citizen of a visa exempt country (let’s say, the UK of GB & NI) & are travelling into the Schengen area why do you need to pay for a waiver?

Surely proving you are a citizen of a qualifying county by presenting your passport issued by that country would be sufficient evidence?

This paragraph from a Guardian article seems slightly ridiculous to me:

I totally get all the other stuff about apprehending crims etc., but that’s a separate issue.

EDIT: I’m not personally bothered as we have CdSs, but it will be another bore for visitors.

If you are refering to the ETIAS? If so yes there is a small fee, waiver, something lost in translation perhaps.

The UK is not a “visa exempt” country. If Brits were exempt from visas that would be freedom of movement.
On a UK passport you can benefit from a visa waiver which means you don’t need to get a visa in certain situations subject to certain conditions, ie basically you are a tourist and you will not exceed your 90/180 days. This will continue but other conditions are going be added, including paying a nominal fee, providing biometrics…

In other situations you need a visa.

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The new visa requirement may seem a hassle, but it’s a lot less admin hassle than getting a normal Schengen visa.

Don’t blame the EU, blame the UK electorate.

As far as I can tell, it’s a clone of the American ESTA system.

The UK is a visa exempt country - nothing to do with FoM.

It’s a “pre authorisation” fee, not a waiver fee as ETIAS is atravel authorisation system.

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OK, I worded that badly.

What I should have said is “as UK citizens do not need an actual tourist visa for the Schengen area why do they need to do/pay anything as simply showing their passport (& nothing else) means they are entering under tourist conditions”.

To repeat, other aspects of border control are not linked to my question.

It’s all just a change of rules and procedures that has various benefits, one of which is to be able to reduce the number of expensively employed immigration staff. If half the travelers can be sent through automated gates, then the number of immigration officers can be cut in half without increasing queue length. Certainly it will be no more onerous than traveling to the USA.

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Indeed, and the 52% of Brexit voters should be pleased with the EU following their lead and taking back control :slightly_smiling_face:

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To be honest, I reckon it’s high time that the EU did something about all the people who just seem to be able to walk in and stay as long as they like, particularly via Greece and Italy. Perhaps France will be able to redeploy some of the immigration staff to deal with all the ‘sans papiers’ around the north coast of the country, though I suspect that hell will probably freeze over first.