I almost exclusively charge my EV from a conventional domestic socket. It is relatively cheap to get a sparky in to install an external socket in a convenient location on its own circuit.
Properly protected individually circuited quality outdoor sockets are just fine for running an EV "granny’ charger, as these only allow a charge power of 2,3kW. Such outlets can also be installed by any competent person, as opposed to anything of 3,7Kw & above, which requires the installer to have the necessary qualifications & insurance.
Installing multiple higher power chargers (typically about 7kW monophasé or 11kW triphasé) would also create all kinds of supply size headaches.
If you anticipate guests from the UK you could provide circuits that have both French & UK outlets on them, or quality French to UK adaptor leads. You don’t want anyone using cheap nasty travel adaptors to run an EV charger.
Beware the regulations about reselling electricity (basically, you can’t).
You would be better off making a blanket charge for use of the charging sockets if the guests have an EV. If you meter the specially provided sockets (or switch them off) you’ll probably find some P.I.Staker will use an extension lead to plug into a socket elsewhere in their gîte.
P.S. The most important thing to do is to go onto the Tempo tarif, as I imagine that most of your bookings will be in the much cheaper blue day period of spring/summer/early autumn.
Depends where you are! For us tempo would be a killer as you can’t tell gîte clients not to use electricity and we get clients year round.
Your contract must specifically say no charging from the domestic points (it’s generally easy to spot).
And to do a blanket tariff doesn’t work for people with hybrids who want to top up a bit each day v peopke with massive batteries who take a big charge.
We have 7w wallbox so can be precise about cost of actual electricity plus a €5 or €10 sevice charge.
And be careful if you do install a full blown charging point - it must be not only connected by a proper electrician, but one that has done a course on it and has letters after his/her name
I have one ‘ready to go’ at my gite, but despite it being in a waterproof enclosure, the electrician who installed the circuit for it is not allowed to connect the tails! crazy beyond belief!
This year I am going to offer discounts that are inversely proprtional to the size of their V8 motors! I already have one taker asking if his Laramie 5.7 will fit through the gate
If you use a standard external socket it is difficult to imagine anyone using it under typical conditions for more than €5 / day. Not everyone is going to use it everyday so is it worth going to the bother of installing a fancy charging point?
Personally, as a potential customer, I would seek out a gite that offered free EV charging (even if only 2.3 Kw). I think it might be a good selling point.
I have attached a very short Youtube clip showing my home charging point. Just a box nailed on under my post box. It is so convenient, I cannot imagine why anyone still bothers with having to go to petrol stations.
If you have your own EV it is! And since it attracted credit impôt, plus the garage sweetener, it was not a major deal. We have a lot of Dutch with huge batteries and I’m not sure they’d be wanting to waste their holiday watching their car charge.
As many have said to us, paying actual electricity plus the service charge is still so much cheaper than a public charge point that they like it.
Yes, you must know your own market Jane. From a customers point a view, if I were choosing a gite, I would go for free 2.3 Kw charging first (or ask permission to plug in a granny lead), a metered faster connection second and would not consider a gite with no charging facilities.
The OP mentions gîtes , plural, so my idea of having several low power charging outlets makes a lot of sense. You can keep three separate sets of guest happy charging overnight for the capacity of one 7kWh charger.
Multiple 7kWh chargers will soon create an untenable power situation, assuming that this complex only has the one electrical supply. To pass proper comment we’d need to know a lot more about it (mono or tri being the biggest issue, &/or willingness to upgrade or add additional ENEDIS supplies).
But they wouldn’t if they are using a slow charger overnight. Depending on their habits they might have anywhere between 8 & 16 hours evening/overnight pause between journeys.
2,3kW x 8 hours = 18kWh which gives you around 110-120 km of range, & most people won’t be charging from zero i.e. They’ll easily be passing a public charger en route somewhere the following day, or if they are spending a day lounging around they’ll easily get a full charge anyway.
@Badger@JaneJones@Mik_Bennett Thanks for the responses…Which has opened my eyes and have found the discussion useful - We have five cottages, Plenty of power on the property with three phase going to my workshops. We’re are 40 mins from the closest public accessible charger. By the time guests get to us they are pretty low on charge, With future proofing in mind we are now going for a https://www.chargepoint.com solution and yes, fitted by an accredited installer. Thanks again…
Our clients generally don’t do lounging about. We had one family who did mega-sightseeing all day - rushing all over to do extreme sports - then would return late afternoon to charge up car to head off to (eg ) Geneva for dinner. Our charger is not a fast charger, only 7W, but they appreciated it.
We haven’t yet clawed back the specific cost of the installation, and probably won’t before we sell. But no more expensive than replacing a mattress, so we consider these are all part of our on costs.
The maximum that you’ll get on tarif bleu is 36kVA (i.e. 3 x 60A). Yes, that sounds like a lot but if you have your own house plus 5 gîtes you could find it’s not enough. Guests are not going to be interested in/understand the need to avoid having too many heavy appliances on at the same time.
If you then add the large load of an EV charger you might find that you run out of steam…
Clearly a triphasé charger is going to be better in terms of spreading the load, but not all EVs are tri. If you run a tri charger at 22kW it will take a lot of your overall supply. Conversely it will be able to supply a monophasé EV at approx. 7kW.
Were you to limit a triphasé charger to a lower charge rate (to avoid overloading the whole supply) then anyone using it for single phase use will find it quite slow i.e. the more democratic option of more lower power outlets starts to make some sense.
From a gîte owners point of view we monitor our costs very closely to provide extremely good value in setting our prices. So if we were to offer free charging we would increase costs to cover this, which effectively penalises those who don’t have an EV.
So if you are tempted to go for gîte with free charging, just see whether this is really worth it for you. Look for example at price per sq m of gîte.