Forum Censorship

Recently there were some minor changes to the appearance of this site, mainly to the opening page with its changed method of getting us where we want to go, but nothing serious.

I think myself fortunate that the same techies did not get their hands on it who did get their hands on a very long lived UK forum dedicated to lorry drivers, from which I have quoted here from time to time.

It went into a slow decline, and I do mean slow, whatever we did was painfully slow, minutes for a post to appear. Then, all of a sudden it disappeared completely apart from some lone messages that it would soon be back. Promised dates came and went and we, the few of us who had email contact, feared it was the end. But then, over a month later, it was back but on a totally different platform. Much grumbling and thus much reduced membership. But a few of us soldiered on, in my case because the new look is similar but not exactly the same as this site, so I had a bit of a head start on how to find my way around.

One big difference is, the lack of censorship here, compared to not only that site but also to the similar American drivers’ site which I had migrated to as a refugee in the interim. It is bizarre, we are treated like kids and it is worth noting that here, where there appears to me to be no censorship , there is very little bad language used and when it is, it is only completely in context.

But the most ridiculous thing ever occurred a short time ago. In a thread about lorries, of course, and experiments in ways to allow trailers to be longer in the UK (and possibly the EU), various forms of steering axles are placed at the rear to allow them to turn and corner while taking up no more room than at present, in other words, no change to the laid down limits of the law. But one thing will be required still, the skill of the driver to operate them and in particular the outward swing of the tail of the trailer when turning a corner.

So to get to the point of this, I made a comment exactly about that, and related an experience I had many years ago in Bangor N. Wales. I was pulling a trailer which was 60 feet long but my load was steel beams 70 feet in length. Added to the natural overhang of the trailer behind its wheels that was considerable to put it mildly. I came to a T-junction with bollards (the plastic lit up kind) in the middle of the road. Normally I would have set myself up straddling the 2 lanes and then gone very wide for my left turn to the far side of the destination road, but in this case there were bollards in that road too. I knew it was touch and go but had to continue and the end of my beam just caught, and knocked over the 2 bollards. Leaving aside the possibility of exposed electrics and because I knew there was a council yard at the exit to the town, I made sure the bollards were laid down neatly and carried on.

The maintance people were not upset when I reported and set off to repair the damage while I stayed to wait for the police escort I was scheduled to meet there for the rest of my journey. My destination was Pwllheli, about another 50 odd miles on mainly, then, country roads but not too tight, In case you are wondering why I didn’t get the escort before Bangor, rather than after it, I was wondering myself. If I had had one I could have pulled over to the ‘wrong’ side of the road at the junction and had all the room in the world to turn without touching anything.

So I wrote this up in the forum and pressed ‘Send’ when to my amazement I saw that the word ‘escort’ had been blocked out. :astonished: I expressed my surprise and outrage and a friend posted 'you have to write it with a space, like this, e scort, or esc ort, or any other combination you like, but not escort. :roll_eyes:

Just in case any of you are interested in the ensuing journey, after all that I was looking forward to a relaxing time. Not a bit of it. The police used to hate escorting and would do anything to make you go faster and these 2 clowns were no different. Over 80 feet in length and I expect about 50 odd tons in weight, they had me following at over 60 mph. We rounded a slight bend to reveal a long straight stretch and I heaved a sigh of relief because, half way along it I saw a little coal lorry plodding along without a care in the world and I thought, in my innocence, thank goodness they’re going to have to slow down now.

Not likely, with sirens screaming and headlights and blue lights flashing, they overtook this poor bloke and forced him to a halt at the side of the road. I like Pwllheli, I have holidayed there, but I was never so glad to see it as on that day at the end of that nightmare ride. :joy:

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We suffered from this problem when I worked in IT at a large High Street bank in the UK…

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On a similar theme I was very surprised last night when watching The Simpsons, I don’t normally anymore, too much angst on my part at the treatment of Lisa :slightly_frowning_face:, but the new alternative to lead me up to Channel 4 News is Rick Stein and I have quite enough of cooking in this house thank you, so I did.

Imagine my surprise when Principle Skinner introduced a new teacher as MIss Cantly and in the same breath said ‘not the filthy interpretation of her name’. :astonished:

By the way, on Radio 4 yesterday the wonderful Olivia Coleman was reported to have chosen her favourite swear word (please see above) ‘because it goes right back to Chaucer.’ :rofl:
I remember Germaine Greer was minded to promote the use of the word for much the same reasons, plus as a symbol of women’s liberation of course. :smiley:

@David_Spardo I don’t suppose there is any deliberate censorship going on by the Powers That Be, but forum software often has built-in “naughty word filtering”, maybe that’s what has kicked in here?

As for forum censorship in general, in my experience of being a Moderator on a global forum for professional photographers, there was a perception among some members that moderators censored a lot of posts and were closet Fascists, whereas in fact we intervened very seldom, and usually only to calm things down when disagreements had become heated, or to remove blatant adverts or some egregious insulting comment.

We had a special forum section for a while called “The Hot Zone” where members could freely discuss politics, sex, religion etc., but had to shut it down because members who strongly disagreed with each other in there tended to carry their animosities over into other areas.

We also had the issue of mutual incomprehension in terms of humour, usually between Brits and Aussies on one side (for whom teasing, matey and semi-rude banter was normal) and Americans of the straiter-laced sort, who tended to take everything literally.

Maybe this place is a little less diverse, and if I may suggest it probably more mature, hence the greater politeness and mutual respect which prevails. :smiley:

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How are we supposed to discuss my favourite Ford when Escort is censored?

Wait a minute…

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Is that Ethel Ford from Berwick Street in Soho?

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I definitely agree with that. On the American forum I mentioned I posted in a thread in answer to a driver who was complaining about only being paid for the miles he drove but not for all the waiting time to be loaded and being loaded and unloaded. This could run into hours and even days without pay. Illegal in Britain for many years, payment by the mile is still quite common in N. America. I said light heartedly that he was in the wrong continent and that it was illegal over here and that in my opinion it was not civilised.

Oh dear, one poster came right back at me (not the one with the Trump avatar strangely) draggin up how capitalistic America had saved Europe’s ass twice in the 20th century and how France had mired them in Vietnam. I have to say though that he did apologise later and there were several others who agreed with what I had said.

True, but let’s not forget they turned up late both times… :smiley:

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I’m reasonably convinced people with certain preferences and inclinations often (in general terms) show the same tendencies when online and not filtering their inner thoughts as carefully as they might face to face with a relative stranger.

So photography forums - people tend to carry exactly this kind of thing over into other areas, sniping and clawing at each other, also tend to be especially pedantic.

Bass players seem to like cross-dressing (especially if Korean) are socialist and often depressed.

Guitarists tend to be a bit gung-ho and like to take the mick out of anyone who shows vulnerability, but can also be very generous.

Electronics people tend to be cynical and a bit suspicious.

Mountain bikers like it dirty and want to know what tyres to use all the time.

I jest a little, but only a little.

SF has people from a wide variety of different areas - as someone noted recently from raggedy-arsed builders to professors of the arts and all shades in between. As a forum, sometimes things get a bit skewed by one or two intense characters, but the breadth of experience plus the fact that none here are especially young may make a big difference.

I joined Harmony Central (big musicians site, used to be privately owned, hosted OLGA for those with long memories) in the late 90s. It was a site for grownups, and you can imagine the kind of content musicians would post, the official limits being no pr0n and no obviously copyrighted materials. It was generally self-moderating at that stage, though 10 years later it had acquired a moderation team, and I was eventually banned (for a week) for using the word Jap to describe a Japanese made stratocaster (a Jap strat) I owned. Around that time the site had been acquired by some large music businesses, and they were trying to make it PG13 to widen the market they could service.

HC is now effectively dead, and has been for years. The site is still there, but some of the forums get 1 post a month.

Surely, ‘none here is especially young’. :rofl::wink:

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Yes I’ve been pleasantly surprised by how lively SF is - the UK pro photographers forum that I was an active member of (not the same as the US based one I referred to above) went slowly more and more dead over the last 4 or 5 years of its life, as Facebook and other social media gradually took over.

The US forum declined in a similar way between 2009 and 2015, eventually being sold and then shut down entirely not long afterwards.

Perhaps we here are all dinosaurs from an earlier epoch. :smiley:

I certainly find that when I’m trying to get younger people to respond to emails. :roll_eyes:

I too belong to what used to be a great forum for gite owners which just limps along. Unfortunately virtually everyone has migrated to FB - loathsome and useless if ever you actually want practical information. I do not understand why people think FB is a good idea.

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I feel seen!

Time to post this again. :smile:

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Richard the Second not Richard Eleven. :smiley:

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:rofl:

No-one is but none are, surely? (cf: how many apples are left? There are none).

In practice, I agree with you, but ‘none’ is a contraction of ‘not one’ so should take a singular verb.

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If the speaker is referring to a singular object, then “none” takes a singular verb. If the speaker is referring to several objects in a sentence, then “none” takes a plural verb. As a simple rule, if “none” can be replaced with “not any” in a sentence, it will more likely take a plural verb.18 oct. 2021

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https://www.masterclass.com › articles

Is ‘None’ Singular or Plural? How to Use the Word ‘None’ - 2024 - MasterClass

Just found this

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No idea who ‘masterclass’ are but I was taught at The Guardian which probably explains a lot :wink:

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