Hi Mark.
I was thinking about insurance and selling the property in years to come??? Thats why i was going down the certificate path. So you wouldnt bother then??
Thanks for the reply.
As far as i know (and im not a "professional " and happy to be corrected), having had dealings with Consuel, they only inspect new installations in order to get permanent supply authorisation for Enedis to arrange connection. So no, if you are happy with the safety of your own installation (and youâve followed the normes) I wouldnât bother.
Whatever one does⊠âitâ must comply with the Rules/Normes in force at the time of âdoingâ.
Whether or not one needs to get a Certificate remains to be seen. Some folk have had problems when EDF came along. Some folk have had no problems whatsoever.
However, if the installation is NOT done according to the Rules/Normes in force at the time of installation⊠this could give problems in the future to the Householder/Person living in the propertyâŠ
eg possible house-fire and difficulties with associated Insurance Claim is just one which springs to mind.
In my experience, it is better if one can âproveâ work is done to the correct standard (by whatever means, usually a professional Invoice).
Should the unforeseen accident happen⊠Insurance folk will want to chew rather than swallow a claim if they think it is partially/wholly caused by shoddy/incorrect work. They will look for someone âto blameâ and to share or take-on the costs of putting things right.
EDIT: Itâs probably because we all went through such an awful time, after a big house fire, that I bang on like this⊠so having passed-on my thoughts, Iâll step back from this thread.
Best of luck with whatever you decide.
I guess the correct question to ask is, are there any members on SF who have had a Diagnostic Technique inspection (electricité) carried out in preparation for the sale of a property and if so, what did the inspection entail and can they share their experiences.
You might also find this reference of some use.
Incorrect, it is possible to have a Consuel inspection to access and issue certification to a property that is already connected with electricity. It does not have to met the Normes in force at the time of inspection, just to be a safe installation. Attestation de mise en sécurité is what one would ask/apply for.
Ok, as i said, happy to be corrected
I have had 4 properties since 1996 including my existing home all of which I rewired I was never an electrician but tried to follow French regulations and pleased to say did not have a problem with any Diagnostic Technique inspection prior to selling three properties The most serious problem I encountered on new purchases was a lack of earth the wires were green and yellow but not connected anything
I liked Marks response: ââŠIf youâve already got a supply, no new certification is neededâŠâ
When I bought my house the âDiagnosticâ stated the whole wiring needed replacing and identified the most dangerous items. It wasnât wrong!
Nevertheless the electrical supply was connected when I asked without question.
I was quoted 6000 Euros which I did not take up. Instead I engaged a Brit Electrician registered in France, on a day to day basis.
On the first day he installed the âTableauâ and together we pulled the wires through (90% of the work) and connected a main circuit and light circuit.
Armed with a house wiring guide (in French) I continued wiring a three floor house (plus small annex)on my own repeating what Iâd been shown. I called him back for a second day when I encountered a complication re the annex which I new he would figure out in a jiffy so employed him a second day.
Including his two daysâ labour I doubt I spent more than 1000 Euros. As a result my wiring is meticulous, meets the codes, and I know exactly where the wires run, and every wire fully labelled at inspection access points.
Finding a Brit electrician willing to take you on as an electrician apprentice for a day or two may be a challenge!
Iâm eager to know how you got on.
To meet NF C 15-100 that is sort of true. A âprise de communicationâ (RJ45) needs to be provided in every âpiĂšce principalâ apart from the kitchen. Anything larger than a studio appartment needs at least three TV (coax) points.
However, CONSUEL are only interested in there being a âcoffret do communicationâ present at the ETEL & donât care whether there are any outgoing circuits from it.
Having said that, & as others have said, in your situation there is no need for CONSUEL to get involved, especially as their attestations are only valid for two years.
As has been mentioned before, but, if a Attestation de mise en sĂ©curitĂ© was applied for that would tick the boxes of the OPâs desire and be good for six years duration.
Just a technical reply - an ordinary french plug can be a very tight fit in the socket, so the socket does have to be securely fixed to the wall, which can be a problem if it is a plasterboard wall. Secondly, a lot of the sockets and switches are now the sort that you push the wires into. These can be a pain if you need to change them.
As previously mentioned, its all radial for the sockets (I think up to 6 sockets per radial), so that does lead to a large fuse box, so do plan sufficient space for it. Lastly, I found those english circular junction boxes, the sort that you lay the wire in, and then screw down on them, very useful. Much easier than dominoes.
They can, but you are supposed to push on the tab to release the wire.
Not a problem if you use quality correct back boxes in the correctly sized hole, & the placo is fixed properly.
Push fit is easier, quicker & more reliable than screw terminals. In my career Iâve encountered many loose screw terminals with consequent faults &/or burning. The only issues Iâve ever found with push fit is when people have tried to use flexible wiring in them
No - the current normes (NF C 1-100 A5) stipulate a maximum of 12 outlets on a 2,5mmÂČ circuit (max. 20A disjoncteur but I advise 16A). 1,5mmÂČ circuit can have up to 8 outlets via a max. 16A disjoncteur. Fuses are now banned for new circuits.
An outlet is every point that can take a plug, so a double socket is two outlets, unlike the previous normes. Sockets can be wired as a daisy chain or star, or a mixture of the two.
I refer you to the previous comment about push fit connectors. Screw terminals are so last century
Iâm glad to hear that - I put 16âs in for everything except the kitchen circuits on the grounds that the CEE 7/5 and 7/6 combination is only rated at 16A so I was always a bit nervous about connecting the power outlets to a 20A breaker (the kitchen being the exception as more likely to have more than one high power item running at once - though I have two circuits there).
Nice to see a professional taking the same line.
It is now part of the normes to have a dedicated kitchen socket circuit of 6 outlets, at least 4 of which have to be above the worktop(s).
Flex definitely wonât go in - and if you can get it in the contacts donât grip the wire properly.
I had brought 7-strand 2.5mm2, that is stiff enough to go in and doesnât deform so the connection is tight enough but <deity> help you if you want it back out again.
I use bootlace ends for multistrand in push fits.
Those are called aglets. Useless random bit of knowledge which I share with you all.
At least I will know what to ask for if I run out but who sells them, not seen them in the regular Bricoâs from memory. I usually bring lots with me.
They are also called âferretsâ in French