I wonder if anyone has much knowledge of this subject?
I would like to improve my knowledge of this subject and would appreciate discussing with anyone who has a similar interest;
regards
geoff
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Wowā¦ Geoffā¦ this got my interestā¦
I admit to knowing nothingā¦ but Googled it and could probably spend the rest of the week reading stuff. Google offers more than 10 pages of links etcā¦ so will be interesting to learn from folk who have first-hand experiences.
yes, a bit like you Stella, I have only just come accorss this and thought that if we who are interested did our own research and shared some of the points we pick up, that could be quite rewarding.
Let me start by saying that I was fascinated to learn that the ābeginningā of the use of homeoprofhylaxis ( can we call it hp from now on - my typing skills are slow!) was taking place in Germany just around the same time as Jenner was experimenting with his prohylaxis in Gloucester. So they have been around for almost the exact same ammount of time.
At the risk of being controversial (which I donāt normally like to do on here) I would never use homeopathic remedies because I donāt believe that they are effective. For me, the concept of ultra-dilution is ludicrous.
However, I also believe that our health is affected by our state of mind and that if you believe something will work then there is much more of a chance that āitā will. Whether that be conventional medicine, homeopathy, prayer, a vegan diet etc etc.
If people find homeopathy effective then thatās great but, in my opinion, the effectiveness of it is based on the belief that it works.
Iāll be hiding in the wardrobe if anyone wants me 
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Mandy, of course you are welcome to your beliefs, however i was hoping to reserve this thread as a point of discussion to enhance knowledge of the subject, rather than go over the already much discussed ā if its not mainstream science then it canāt workā mantra. You have every right to express your view on any of the threads but I thought is would be nice to keep this one to the details of the subject instead of whether or not it is quack medicine.
regards
Maybe you should add this point to your opening post otherwise this thread will become just that.
Best of luck with keeping the discussion āon topicā.
Iāll leave you fellow believers to it. 
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@geoff_faulkner Iām just realising the difference between homeopathy (which some of my neighbours swear by) and HPā¦ which is another thing altogetherā¦ a lot further down the road, so to speakā¦
Hope you can find someone with first-hand knowledge of HP, to sort through all the bumpfā¦
Iāve followed the vaccine research on and off since my kids were babies and the questions that arose for me over the MMR at that timeā¦In relation to homeopathy about 10 years ago when a puppy had a severe adverse reaction to first vaccinesā¦(a 7 in 1 that almost killed her and a Ā£2000 vets bill to save her lifeā¦) my research into Homeopathy and particularly Homoeoprophylaxis began thenā¦I have successfully reared vaccine free dogs ever since using nosodes starting at 3 weeks oldā¦My coming up 7 year old had never been vaccinated until I had to agree to rabies to take him out of the UKā¦he reacted badly to the vaccine so I gave him homeopathic lyssin and then a detox with homeopathic Thujaā¦before the rabies vaccine he had never had a days illness in his lifeā¦ Hereās an introduction to Homoeoprophylaxisā¦x 
An Introduction to Homeoprophylaxis - YouTube
11 million people in Cuba protected from Leptospirosis by homeopathic nosodesā¦ http://www.bmj.com/content/345/bmj.e6184/rr/616928
And which serovar is presentā¦The conventional vaccine only covers 3 serovarsā¦The decision by Cuba to use nosodes during the first epidemic was taken in conjunction with the Finlay instituteā¦Leptospirosis is now virtually eradicated thereā¦
Yes there is classical prescribingā¦there is also āfirst aidā (which many use to great effect in everyday life as mentioned by Stellaā¦me included) and Homoeoprophylaxisā¦The miasms are interestingā¦Iāve heard it said that it would take 3 vaccine free generations to return a population to a natural stateā¦???
Canadaā¦and the clinically insane monsieur Trudeauā¦currently trying to ban front line service workers from using the words mother and fatherā¦x
Iām not automatically against stuff which is not mainstream, but the problem with homeopathy is there is just no plausible explanation, no plausible mechanism by which it could work.
Take the Cuba study - that used a homeopathic vaccine called nosoLEP 200C.
200C in homeopathic parlance means 200 serial 1:100 dilutions. You take the source material (estimated to contain 1 million - 106 - bacterial per ml) and dilute it with 100x the amount of distilled water, you take thatĀ solution and again dilute it 100x with distilled water - repeat this process 200 times and you have your āvaccineā. This is then administered in doses of approx 1.25 to 1.5ml (5 drops each approx 250Āµl - 300Āµl).
The dilution works out to be 1:10400, lets get this in perspective - undiluted 1 ml would have a million bacteria, after the 1st dilution 10,000, after the 2nd 100, and after the 3rd just 1. Another dilution gets us down to just 1% chance that a ml will still contain a bacterium - in fact a killed bacterium, and the process goes on to a further 196 1:100 dilutions.
Put another way if I started out with the mass of the entire observable universe and split it up into 10400 portions there would not be enough matter left in each to form the smallest sub-atomic particle.
Now I know that the homeopaths will say that they are not relying on the presence of the bacteria in the vaccine, they claim āwater memoryā or quantum effects - I donāt believe them but letās assume for a second that there is such an effect.
Even then one has to ask why the effect is not swamped by everything elseĀ that the water comes into contact with, the equipment used to distil the water, the vessels used to carry the water, vessels used for the preparation and storage of the vaccine, air within those vessels - the list of sources of contamination is endless, even if they are microscopic traces of microscopic traces they should affect the vaccine for the exact same reasons that the source material does.
How then do you explain how the positive effect that you are after is not swamped by the negative effects of contamination.
That there was a āpositiveā result in the Cuba study is interesting but the reason lies somewhere other than the use of nosoLEP 200C.
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This is an interesting, albeit very long, explanation of the results found in the Cuban leptospirosis intervention.
ps Sorry @geoff_faulkner but I did warn you.
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Hypothetically speaking the entire population of the world could be given a quarter acre plot each in Australia and still have an area the size of Queensland left overā¦plus the rest of the planetā¦itās not the people who are a problemā¦itās the criminal corporate management of resourcesā¦
thanks VĆ©ronique.
I m not sure if I agree or not because I did not understand a word you said.
I must be really stupid.
regards
geoff
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Pretty good analysis, liked it.
The Cuban study was conducted by the Finlay instituteā¦not by homeopathsā¦the Finlay institute are veteran conventional medical researchers and scientists researching and manufacturing testing and implementing the use of conventional vaccines for decadesā¦yes I know the difference between 200c and 30c and 1M etcā¦Iām guessing youāve never used homeopathic Belladonna to quickly reduce a fever or arsenicum to relieve an upset stomach or nux vomica to relieve heartburn within minutes or apis meillifica for a bee sting etcā¦Iām saying this with respect to your view that you hate big Pharma just as much as a lot of us doā¦ Hereās a whole load more clinical trialsā¦ x https://immunizationalternatives.com/clinical-research/
Doesnāt really matter who conducted the study, it was riddled with issues.
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No, I havenāt, but then I wouldnāt, would i?
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