Don’t, next you’ll have Harry and Megan dissin you.
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Do you remember the Tony Robinson thing from about 20 years ago, The real king of England or such? He was my first cousin 
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Thank you Angela and @JohnBoy . You guys are in luck I’ve got wacky / confusing on UK side and a mystery on the Aussie side! I’ll PM you both over the weekend and thank you!!! If either have a preference please let me know! 
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And found in a pretty bad state in a car park in Leicester - sounds Aussie to me!
Probably involving my lot, the sheep stealers … 
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Never was naughty in Leicester, maybe Bister and Thame
My original arrived on the First Fleet but as a cabin boy not a convict
Certainly not trying to get at Aussies in this post, but because Oz is the world’s only single country continent, the term ‘Australian’ is conveniently both cultural and geographical. So there’s nothing problematic about white people born in Australia being ‘Australians’ whereas the term ‘First Nation’ is used in several other Commonwealth countries to describe the indigenous peoples. But in Southern Africa it’s more complicated
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However also he helped me to understand a lot about S Africa from an Afrikaner’s perspective eg. ‘My family lived here before there were whites in Australia, yet people get upset if we say we are “African”’.
[/quote Yet, in less than the last thirty years, S Africa has had four ‘First Nation’ presidents (tho’ not saying they were all wonderful). The term First Nation seems to be a mainly recent N American one, but when if ever will we see a First Nation president in the US or Canada?
Oh totally, some very good points and the white treatment of the Australian Aborigines was and is horrific. I beleive thete were around 620 countries before us whities arrived. Our national day is called Australia Day (26 January). Growing protests every year. Indigenous Australians want it renamed Invasion day!
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But no reason for native Australians, ie those born there, to beat themselves up. When it comes down to it we are all invaders. A constant supporter of mine in the Brexit debate on another forum occasionally went on a rant about when were the English going to leave Britain (I’ve done my bit btw ) He was a very nationalistic Celt from Cornwall. I pointed out to him that, before the Ice Age, nobody lived in Britain so perhaps the Celts should return to eastern Europe , or wherever it is they ‘invaded’ from.
But it is the treatment handed out to existing populations, Aborigines, Red Indians (I believe some use that term nowadays) etc., that is disgraceful.
I remember reading, but it might have been Afrikaner propaganda, that whites arrived in some parts of southern Africa before the blacks migrated south. Perhaps @DrMarkH can enlighten me. 
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The ‘original’ indigenous inhabitants of southern Africa were various Khoi-San peoples (formerly known as ‘bushmen’ or ‘Hottentots’) they’re physically distinctive - the men are small and wiry, whilst the women have enormous buttocks. They are the people whom the C16th Portuguese traders and later Dutch / Huguenot colonists would have encountered when they founded Cape Town. By the early C19th Britain had become the colonial power and begun to colonise the Indian Ocean coast of what is today the Eastern Cape and populated by Xhosa peoples who had migrated south from the Great Lakes region and interbred/displaced the original Khoi inhabitants. The Zulus were later arrivals who settled further north but who today are probably the dominant cultural group.
This history is a touchy subject in SA, but to my mind there’s little difference between indigeous inhabitants being displaced by colonists and being driven from their ancestral homelands by migrating invaders.
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Thank you, more or less what I had heard/read, and I noted your quotation marks around the word orginal. 
My ability to help may be a wee bit erratic - good days only! Yesterday was a good day, today isn’t but hopefully the number of good days is increasing
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hey, i just come here, so i want to add that it is for free, i do sport at home, maybe one day will decide to go to gym
Oh, you sound interesting, what sport do you do and where are you in France?
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I like bags, so…this interest sometimes costs pretty much. It depends on the brand though. I have a small collection, and the only thing that calms me is that selling gucci bag is not a big deal if needed. But such bags are of high quality and can serve for years, so I can also leave them for my daughter, for instance.
That’s interesting. How does one go about selling second hand bags?
Yes, I remember the days when we all got up in arms about them charging us 5p for one when they used to be free, now I seem to barely be able to get one for less than a euro, perhaps they’re hiding the cheaper ones under the till in order to upsell us the thicker, more expensive ones…
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And here was I, imagining bags from Gucci, Hermes, LV…. 
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I’ve got a very expensive GrandFrais chill bag. It’s the highlight of my collection. I think it was 3€…
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I’ve an original 1984 Booths’ (the Northern Waitrose) bag that my mother had hoarded for decades, and on what was to be my last visit to her in 2020, I used it for shopping in her local Booths. It was very well received, as the check-out people stopped serving and gathered round with some elderly customers to look at my mother’s antique.
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