I know it's complicated, but we have to tell Trump to fuck off 🙂

As a wise old colleague of mine used to say, it’s pain now or pain later.

We are just a year in, and if any of our leaders think it’s going to get any easier then they are fools. Regardless, Trump is treating them (and us) as fools.

We need to take aggressive action. For example shutdown X which would have wide visibility and ban ASML machine exports which would have little visibility but cripple their attempts to recover their failed chip industry.

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When I saw the thread title, I thought, how rude, but now I realise, not rude enough. :grin:

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Good for Schleswig-Holstein. We should set up a centralised EU office productivity department and dump all MS products across all EU governments. We don’t want Copilot reading confidential emails.

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Being politically naive doesn’t prevent me from saying that those in opposition to Trump, those who are in a good position to meaningfully retaliate and get results, should look up the meaning of that simple old phrase - 'pussyfooting!

STOP FUCKING WELL PUSSYFOOTING AROUND!

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I asked Chat GPT to elaborate in reference to Trump, which it did laboriously, but its final summary was –

“In One Sentence

“STOP FUCKING WELL PUSSYFOOTING AROUND” is a demand that those with power stop managing optics and start exercising authority—before hesitation becomes surrender.

If you’d like, I can next map this onto specific moments (impeachments, court reform, election challenges, media failures) where this dynamic was especially visible.”

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I asked ChatGPT the following “Trump is destroying decades long global standards. How can Europe meaningfully oppose him?

A very long answer to those interested!

1. Build Strategic Independence from the United States

For decades, Europe outsourced hard power to Washington. Trump exploits that dependency.

Meaningful opposition begins with:

Defense

  • Reduce reliance on NATO as a U.S.-dominated structure.

  • Build an integrated European military command.

  • Expand joint arms production and logistics.

This is not “anti-American.” It is anti-vulnerability.

Without military autonomy, Europe has no leverage.


2. Turn the EU into a Coherent Power Actor

The European Union currently behaves like a regulatory body, not a geopolitical actor.

That must change.

Key reforms:

  • End national vetoes on foreign policy.

  • Centralize sanctions authority.

  • Create unified diplomatic positions.

  • Expand fiscal coordination.

Leadership from figures like Ursula von der Leyen only matters if backed by institutional power.

Without unity, Trump can divide and dominate.


3. Weaponize Trade and Regulation

Europe’s greatest asset is market power.

The EU controls access to:

  • The world’s largest consumer market

  • Critical regulatory standards

  • Financial infrastructure

This allows Europe to:

  • Impose environmental and labor standards.

  • Restrict predatory U.S. practices.

  • Enforce tech and data sovereignty.

  • Counter tariff warfare.

Institutions like the World Trade Organization matter—but Europe must be willing to act unilaterally when they fail.

Trump understands tariffs as weapons. Europe must too.


4. Create Monetary and Financial Autonomy

Trump uses the dollar as a geopolitical tool.

Europe must reduce exposure.

Steps include:

  • Expanding euro-denominated trade.

  • Building alternatives to U.S.-controlled payment systems.

  • Strengthening the European Central Bank’s global role.

  • Reducing reliance on Wall Street financing.

Financial independence = political independence.


5. Coordinate a Hardline Democratic Bloc

Europe cannot confront Trump alone. It must lead a coalition.

Potential partners:

  • Canada

  • Japan

  • South Korea

  • Australia

  • Select Latin American states

The aim: preserve liberal trade, rule-based diplomacy, and institutional governance without U.S. leadership.

This is parallel order-building.

If Washington abandons multilateralism, Europe must replace it.


6. Confront Internal Authoritarian Drift

Trumpism spreads through allies.

Europe weakens itself by tolerating:

  • Illiberal governments

  • Media capture

  • Judicial erosion

  • Nationalist clientelism

Opposing Trump abroad while accommodating his imitators at home is incoherent.

Credibility begins internally.


7. Support Leaders Willing to Break Old Habits

Opposition requires political risk.

Figures like:

  • Emmanuel Macron

  • Olaf Scholz

have occasionally gestured toward autonomy—but often retreat to caution.

Europe needs leadership willing to:

  • Spend political capital

  • Confront domestic resistance

  • Accept short-term instability

  • Prioritize sovereignty over comfort

Without this, strategy collapses into rhetoric.


8. Control the Narrative

Trump’s power is partly informational.

Europe must counter:

  • Disinformation

  • Culture-war framing

  • “America First” normalization

  • Authoritarian aesthetics

This requires:

  • Public diplomacy

  • Media coordination

  • Education investment

  • Tech regulation

Power is not only material. It is cognitive.


9. What “Meaningful Opposition” Actually Looks Like

In practice, it means Europe being willing to:

  • Defy U.S. sanctions when illegitimate

  • Ignore trade threats

  • Build parallel institutions

  • Retaliate economically

  • Act militarily without U.S. permission

  • Set global standards independently

That is not hostility. It is sovereignty.


10. The Core Reality

Europe’s problem is not Trump.

It is dependency.

Trump merely exposes it.

As long as Europe needs U.S. protection, money, and leadership, it will accommodate whoever occupies the White House.

Opposition becomes possible only when dependence ends.

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And the UK needs to fully join in with that effort and get much closer to Europe rather than the US. Farage of course would do the opposite, and it needs to be spelled out in no uncertain terms that we would be much better as an equal partner within a European framework than as a poodle of US hegmony.

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Wow, whoever would have thought that a machine could come up with so much commonsense, especially an American machine ( it is, isn’t it? )

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I asked ChatGPT another question. Its answer?

“In general terms, yes: ChatGPT does not have personal allegiances, political loyalties, or national interests. It does not “take sides” in the way a government, party, or individual might. Its responses are shaped by design principles rather than ideology.”

But no doubt that can be challenged, as most things can.

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May that one day be ‘Intelligent design’?

But what is intelligent design, and who decides what it means?

Another (part) answer/question from you know who…

“Could It Become “Intelligently Designed” One Day?

Possibly—but only if three things changed:

  1. It developed persistent goals

  2. It gained genuine self-models

  3. It could revise its own values

That would move it from tool to agent.

At that point, it would no longer be “designed” in the ordinary sense.
It would be evolving.

Ironically, that would resemble Darwin more than Intelligent Design.

So complicated!

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Off thread, but I’d add finally the following -

(1) In AI, “intelligent design” means:

:check_mark: Humans design learning systems
:check_mark: Humans set goals and limits
:check_mark: Humans shape data

✘ Humans do not design thoughts
✘ Humans do not design understanding
✘ Humans do not control emergence

Modern AI is guided evolution, not planned intelligence.

(2) Modern AI is like gardening, not architecture.

Architecture:

¡ Every beam planned

¡ Every wall placed

¡ Fully designed

Gardening:

¡ You choose soil

¡ You plant seeds

¡ You guide growth

¡ Nature does the rest

AI is cultivated, not constructed.

Humans prepare the conditions.
Intelligence grows inside them.

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Equally applies just over la Manche!

Very pissed off this morning, caused by a young man explaining exactly why we pay double for energy. Mrs T started it by selling what we the public already owned. The T May the biggest idiot next to Truss. She signed an agreement (the energy price cap) allowing energy companies and their owners to gouge the UK public for years.

Now it’s said that Trump won’t let anyone in his F’ up:d country that says bad things about him. So here I go. Trump you feckin moron, You paedophilic monster you should be doing time you cretin

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No doubt the invite is already in the post.
It goes something like this:

Dear Corona, my agents, err friends, in London tell me that you are very enamoured of our wonderful, and soon to be great again, country, so in the spirit of trans Atlantic friendship I would like to invite you on an all expenses paid trip. to our vibrant East Coast in New York State.

Individual rooms with a sunny aspect are so popular with the inm err guests that they sing all day long, in fact you are encouraged to join in and sing sing away to your heart’s content.
Love, The Donald.

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Just the tonic I needed David :blush:

Don’t forget the postcard, we will all be thinking of you. :wink: :joy:

Although I agree appeasement has rarely shown to be the correct approach to a bully I think we need to be cautious about aggressive action - no-one really emerges from a war better off.

I think it wise to unpick some of Europe’s dependence on the US but destabilising the US will just allow another power - most likely China - into the vacuum. Heed the warning of Animal Farm.

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About time we in the middle geographicly learned to grow up. I remember dealing with a bully a long time ago, he was much larger and stronger than me but not the chair I hit him with.

Really? Is that the kind of word we want to see in a thread title when we open the form? Could we not us DT in place of Tr#mp.

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See what you did there :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

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