I think the subtext was "sod off" šŸ¤”

An attempt to revive Johnson’s exceptionalist ā€œcake and eat itā€ policy? Trying to play the prodigal son card? Or just cloth-eared desperation?

cloth eared yes. Desperate? - well he’s not called Dan. But the hubris…

From the article ā€œEU officialsinstead suggested a customs union or economic alignment through the European Economic Area… ideas … impossible under Starmer’s red lines. He said in 2024 the UK would not rejoin the EU, the single market or customs union in his lifetime.ā€

I don’t want to think ill of the future dead, though, Starmer can you now get a move on topping yourself?

Edit - for the nation, obviously. I’m sure you will be even more honoured for your sacrifice than already.

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I can’t see us rejoining within the next 20 years, unfortunately. And I think there would need to be quite a significant change in how British politics is done.

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Stupid thing for an otherwise intelligent man to have said. Making himself an uneccessary hostage to fortune.

Interesting how arriviste Reform and its various predecessors have induced panic in long established and far more experienced political parties, who rather than trying to counter them, by offering to address what’s really driving the discontent, instead offer watered-down versions of parties’ key policies

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It’s all tragic. Like her or loathe or her, Thatcher got a good deal for the UK. All squandered now, by self serving idiots like Farage, Johnson, Gove et al. If Farage is rewarded for his part in this debacle by becoming PM, well the mind boggles. Starmer hasn’t the courage to brutally confront Farage with the damage he has done, it needs a sustained and highly visible programme of denunciation, social media, press, television, whatever it takes. Let’s hope Burham has the cojones.

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And the first - Cameron?

Despite The Sun’s many headlines about Thatcher, Brussels and that handbag, she was essentially pro-European in a way that is too ā€˜radical’/ā€˜challenging’/'politically inconvenient 'for many current Labour politicians, le t along the rest of Westminster’s current crop.

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Pathetic, and reveals they really have zero integrity. ā€œThose are my principles, and if you don’t like them… well, I have others.ā€ Groucho Marx.

Now Burham id doing the same to pander to the Brexiteers in godforsaken Makerfield :roll_eyes:

I’d like to be hopeful for Burnham, writing as a long exiled Mancunian, he seems to have battled for the northern provinces and done a good job in Manchester. He’s also a local born lad in the bye-election, so if he loses against Reform, then there’s very big problems ahead for Labour and the UK.

Absolutely, I’m no fan of hers, especially on the privatisation front*, but she knew the UK being in the tent and taking a lead role was better than being a has-been outside it.

*At the time i did believe in privatisation. I think private companies are better managed and more effective. However, I naively assumed sufficient regulatory oversight, with sufficient teeth, would be put in place. More fool me.

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Indeed - it’s especially ironic that she was one of the architects of the Single Market, which her political successors (and devotees) have vilified and dragged the UK away from.

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Burnham was a proud member of New Labour, and was (is?) a member of Labour Friends of Israel. I have no idea why people were so easily won over by him but I have absolutely no doubt he’d be Starmer Mk 2.

He’s said he’d ā€˜reward’ Josh Simons with a central role for stepping aside in Makerfield for him if he got the leadership. This is the same Josh Simons who was head of Labour Together, the exact organisation that has caused this entire mess. The same Blue Labour think tank that worked to destroy Corbyn Labour (not a pro Corbyn comment, but one which highlights that they have no loyalty to the party or anything other than their own agenda), install Starmer, the same Labour Together whose leading architects were Morgan McSweeney and his mate Peter Mandleson. The same Labour Together that failed to declare Ā£730k in donations, and the same one that received fines for over 20 breaches of the law. And of course the same Josh Simons had to resign from his role as Parliamentary Secretary in the Cabinet Office after if was discovered Labour Together targeted journalists looking into the undeclared donations and and created dossiers claiming falsely that they were on the payroll of Putin to discredit them. THIS the is the guy Burnham wants to bring back into the centre on Number 10 if he wins? Guy’s a charlatan. Still better than snivelling lickspittle Wes Streeting, but not much.

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Me too, I never liked Starmer, and his stance on the Gaza genocide has only increased my dislike. The problem I have with Burnham is that he seems to be reneging on sensible positions to improve his chances in Makerfield. I’m not the sure the voters in Makerfield are a valid reflection of the will of the Country, yet he’s aligning with them.

I can understand that argument - my stepfather was a director of companies in four different countries, but he was ā€˜old school’, knew how the companies worked and cared absolutely about things being done well and correctly. albeit in very differing cultures. OTOH, there’s also the public sector trope of the very competent, professional and civically minded public servant, SF’s own @JaneJones being a prime local example (truth, not flattery!)

In retrospect, suspect few would disagree that the privatisation of UK public utilities was, and continues to be a societal disaster. And one that’s interesting to contrast with Norway’s use of its North Sea ā€˜energy bonanza’.

Personally, I’m more inclined to trust an ethical public sector management (tho’ some might see that as a presentday oxymoron).

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I wasn’t aware of his background, and I have nothing but contempt any current member of the friends of Israel https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3TgN6dmFr-Y

I guess Burnham is another case of grasping at straws, as was the ā€œlandslideā€ for Starmer, Reeves, et al. So, given the alternatives, I guess it’s fair to say you think the UK is stuffed?

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On this one I completely agree.

Dismal, isn’t it Billy? Because there is no future for the UK, apart from being an irrelevant backwater, albeit nurturing bankers and billionaires. I guess Brexit mission accomplished :slightly_frowning_face:

Having had the privilege of working for the vast majority of my career for Company that valued its employees (and the shareholders and the community) these shitty people and companies that only think personal gain or shareholder value disgust me. Case in point this bastard…

I wonder if he would like his children described as ā€œlower-value human capitalā€? He’s issued a worthless and mealymouthed apology on LinkedIn. Which is great, because I can personally message him and tell him I think he’s a total shit :slightly_smiling_face:

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Ah… but AI will parse your comment on receipt, spot the words ā€œtotal $hitā€ and it will never be received.

Question: Is Standard Chartered a bank?

Answer: Yes.

Case closed. First up against the wall when the Revolution comes, along with all other $ankers. :wink: