:facepalm: on some of the comments. I feel for people in places like Boston but blaming their woes on the fact that “Brexit wasn’t implemented properly” is very sad, as is thinking we haven’t left because we are still a signatory to the EHCR - Mr Farage must be especially proud of that bit of misdirection.
I’m pretty sure I said at the time that the UK’s problems were not caused by its membership of the EU, and would not be solved by leaving.
I visited Boston once and, for the first time, I actually understood Brexit. If you live in a miserable shit hole (and I’m being kind) where it seems that only the immigrants are doing well, I’m sure it can be easy to start thinking that it’s their fault that you’re not doing well.
And I suppose if most of the immigrants were from the EU …
But crops don’t pick themselves and if the locals won’t do it and someone else is willing it’s not hard to join the dots.
The mayor of Boston, himself an immigrant, was pro-Brexit but has since has admitted he’s changed his mind.
I can understand that, but sod them. Now that it has become obvious that they were lied to, they need to seek retribution. Not turn to the bastard that assiduously orchestrated the disaster. Farage should be hung, drawn and quartered. I’m not inciting anybody to do that, I’m just saying that’s what he, historically speaking, deserves 
Unfortunately it is easier psychologically to buy deeper into the lie, than it is to admit you were duped.
I think it’s a lot more complicated.
There are many people - and continue to be many people - who feel that nothing ever changes at the top. People, usually men, whom globalisation has left behind. The last 16 years have confirmed that feeling for them, I think. Plus ça change is especially ironic since Starmer promised change and yet continued with the same sort of low-level chaos, with occasional questionable wins (letting reform, for example, though I hope it will bring an improvement eventually).
When they get the opportunity to exercise a real choice, they do so. Unlerss Burnham provides some sort of real change, and engagement for those people, and leadership, then they’ll do the same at the next GE.
This clip keeps resurfacing.
I think the same and have said so repeatedly. In fact the group of “left behind” may well grow considerably as AI eats into the middle class and “white collar” workers.
There are many aspects to the problem. One of which is that you can’t put the genie back in the bottle. We are never going to re-open the mines, never going to have shipbuilding on the scale we once did, we’ll never have a peacetime army above 150k personnel, never smelt our own iron ore to make steel, and even if we did any of those things we’d need a quarter of the manpower we used to.
So we needed to recognise and adapt to those changes years ago - but never did. And we took revenue that could have gone into the infrastructure needed and wasted it on feel good stuff in the 80’s.
Tankers take a long time to turn around, countries even more so yet politics is becoming ever more short term. Starmer hasn’t pulled a unicorn out of his hat in two years so he’s no good and must go. How long is Burnham going to last I wonder?
Especially as the sort of policies we need might make him quite unpopular.
And we all know what happened to the last “king of the north”
A good look back….. how low things have sunk that this charlatan can be seriously considered as a future PM.
Yes Boston…..I had 3 years down the road at Fosdyke finishing a boat which I built.
The boatyard boss has some veg processing factories nearby and when we talked about Brexit ( you had to be careful who you talked to on this subject) he said that without the EE’s the local people wouldn’t have jobs, but they were still pro Brexit.
The Lincs locals would talk about “our coloured friends” wink wink, but there aren’t any there. (You would need rhinohide).
They are a funny lot (funny peculiar) and very independent. When the Fens were drained by forriners, they eventually succeeded in driving the water engineers and their men away!
The irony is that many of the Brexit contingent are climate change deniers and anti net zero, but the place will be flooded in the nearing future.
He went to The Wall to fight the undead, got killed, was reincarnated and discovered he was really a Targaryen?
Boston is in the Fens and you must know the old story of the advent of the bicycle saving the people of the Fens. It meant the locals could then cycle to the next village and bed someone else’s sister rather than their own!
Sadly, as the Brexit vote demonstrated, the damage through incest was already done!
