There are exemptions in all the current language requirements for people with medically certified disabilities. So those with real problems needn’t worry. It’s the lazy people who need to take note.
France makes quite a distinction between those who have been here under and over 5 years, and (apart from the WARP’ists) non-Europeans spend first 5 years with visas/carte de séjour and only after that can you get a full-on resident cards. Since they have been so generous already with the WARP’ists I imagine the transition to the permanent card will be painless (as long as you’ve paid your taxes!)
Only if they want to move on from visas surely? Otherwise no issue (apart from living in a country and not being able to hold the most basic conversation!)
I have a CDS WA five year - My ability to learn any other language is not good. I try every day but do feel my level would not suffice if i have to have a language test to obtain a permanent CDS. I did manage yesterday to converse with a fosse engineer who was servicing a neighbours micro fosse thingy but we did end up using a bit of google translate when it came to ‘needing the three compartments emptied’
Whilst admittedly this population is a small subset of the wider population of those likely to be seeking Cartes de Séjours, I cannot see how France could possibly impose language requirements on either EU citizens or their families. There is absolutely no scope for a member state to condition obtaining a CdS on language skills per the relevant EU regs for EU citizen s/their families. France would need to persuade the other members states, EU Parliament and the EU Commission in order to change the regs. I suspect this would be an uphill task, and quite possibly viewed as a very low priority by other states. There’s of course little to stop France doing this for CdS that are non EU ‘regulated’…
There is no suggestion whatsoever that this will apply to EU citizens who have freedom of movement. (Unless of course seeking nationality). This is aimed at non-EU people, which now includes British people. And is for carte de resident, not carte de séjour.
And I think you have hit the nail on the head there. Personally I think if France do manage to implement this it will be aimed at the ‘non EU’ protected contingent.
I disagree - specific topic, easy to look up useful phrases beforehand. That’s the kind of conversation I like. I struggle with the casual meeting conversation where any topic can come out of left field and I have no context and probably not the vocabulary. Those are the moments when I smile and nod (hoping that’s what I am supposed to do as opposed to frown and shake my head) and hope that they repeat themselves often enough that I can get the gist.
Huge simplification, because France loves its complications. Anyway, think of it as “séjour” equals a stay of some specific period. A few months to a few years. “Resident” means you are permanently resident here and have extra protections against being asked to leave.
Which doesn’t mean that you aren’t a proper resident here with a carte de séjour, but just a slightly different kind of resident even tho’ you pay the same taxes!
This is off the top of my head (after a cheerful evening), permanent residents don’t have to meet financial thresholds, can only be deported for serious crimes, and polygamy, and are here for as long as they want. Residents on a carte de séjour can stay AS LONG AS they continue meet the conditions, and their card can be removed for lessor reasons - meaning they have to leave.
Brits who had lived in France for less than 5 years and who applied for a WA Carte de Sejour would have been issued with 5 years cards.
My understanding is that an application for a permanent card can only be made 2 months prior to the expiry of the 5 year card NOT when applicants reach their 5 year residency point.
I believe that the absence of a permanent card does not negate the rights acquired upon reaching the 5 year point.
So what might happen if an applicant applies for a permanent card after say 7 years residency but then fails any mandatory language requirement? Would they then lose the additional rights automatically gained at the 5 year point; be issued with a second 5 year card or lose all residency rights (i.e. have to leave France)???
This is precisely why, as I keep trying to say, this is unworkable for people with WARP cards. Because of the way the french government have chosen to do it you could have in theory have been a resident here almost 10 years when they finally give you a permanent card, and as you say, your permanent ‘situation’ and rights will have already started by default almost 5 years before. I could be entirely wrong, we shall see in 4 years time or whatever but it makes absolutely zero sense to me when people talk about income requirements or now language tests, in connection to anyone with a WARP card as the system is just not set up that way to be that specific. You could, if there was a delay, be here over 10 years before you were even issued a permanent WARP card for people who were in France over 5 years. If it’s anything other than a box ticking exercise to change from 5 to 10 they will have to change everything they’ve said and done up to now, and I just can’t see that happening, or them wanting the optics that would come with doing so.
Remembering that there is another election in 5 years time there are of course no certainties.
However WARP’ists are unique as no other TCNs have the same benefits, so I imagine that approach will continue. At worst if you really can’t manage A2 French after living here for however long (!!! Cut off from humanity?) and don’t qualify for a medical exemption you will possibly just be required to do what other TCNs do and attend X hours of (free) compulsory french lessons.
I think there are non-discriminatory clauses in the WA and nowhere does it reference a language requirement. So think there is lots of assurance here, to the point of certainty?
And that said, free and compulsory language classes sounds just the job for madame - must investigate!
Might that also be a possibility for nationality… I have no problem with lessons… love 'em in fact… would thoroughly enjoy taking part… but exams … huh… my memory goes a blank… always has, always will as it’s the way my brain works…
