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Just to say that in the Basque country (and elsewhere), berets are worn by all sorts of folk.

We bought a couple ourselves, while visiting there. Black and red, two different styles and both very smart. Local wool and the whole thing fabricated locally. Great stuff.

Closer to home, berets are worn by workmen with the logo of their company emblazoned on 'em… or not…
and many locals wear them depending on the weather.

In a similar vein.. I was wearing my Gilet Jaune high viz long before (in recent years) it became almost notorious to wear it… :wink: locals changed their high viz to orange but I couldn’t see any reason to do so… can’t think anyone sees me as a rebel-rouser and if they do.. tough wozit. High viz is worn to make one visible.. seems reasonable to me.

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Seriously? If it’s men eating and drinking together, it will lead to Nazism?

That’s a grotesque claim.

Half of the women expressing an opinion on here (thankfully, most are too wise to do so) talk about make loneliness; the other half say that men congregating together will lead to no good.

You never know what it might lead to…

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Exactly.

But not in Jane’s worldview!

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Of course they are. But the phrase is a short-hand, usually for someone who lives in the France profonde.

Again missing the sub-text/nuance.

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Seems to me that for years nobody really took any notice of Kosher slaughter methods but its now popular to criticise Muslims where if you dare critisise the Jews youll be in all sorts of trouble. Manipulation of the weak minded by media, social or otherwise.

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I’ve lost the plot re berets… it’s just a hat to be worn anywhere any time.

Let’s remember when many folk in UK imagined all Frenchmen to be thus :wink: it was quite a shock when we actually came to France and found it was not quite so clear cut :rofl:

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I think it’s the opposite, actually. If SF is a microcosm of left thinking, which it seems to be, then the only religion that can’t be criticised is Islam.

As to the general point about barbaric slaughter, I think agree, though how much of that is the result of hygiene regs is another matter.

@Porridge

In rhetoric this is called fallacy. Saying that nazism was fuelled by men drinking together is not saying that men drinking together fuel nazism.

Same as the message about pork.

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Not for the faint hearted. This is what’s going on in slaughterhouses in France. Check out L214 videos to get a realistic idea of the problem and maybe understand why some of us have almost stopped eating meat.
Kosher, halal and the rest, it’s all the same.

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Then why connect the two?

PS Careful with branches of philosophy (it’s logic rather than rhetoric: rhetoric uses logical devices to develop arguments, and can be tested against various logical errors like fallacy).

Reading some of this makes me glad that I’m fishetarian.

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Bit of a sweeping statement, which gives the wrong impression.

Because the discussion was about the link between far right and CF banquets

Isn’t this what you did?

Really?

We donate to L214 every year - just so I don’t have to look at their videos!

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Yes, Corona, but no more. For decades there has been a lot of propaganda purposefully conflating criticism of Israel with antisemitism. For example the IHRA’s ludicrous self serving “working definition”. The jewish lobby (AIPAC, The Board of Deputies of British Jews, etc. etc.) were very big on this. Even disciplining their own who had the courage to speak out.

The Gaza genocide and the West bank atrocities and ethnic cleansing has put an end to all that. For example, according to polls the majority of people in the US now no longer support Israel, and definitely do not support their tax dollars being used for genocide.

Netanyahu and the murdering scum (read Ben-Givr, Smotrich, et al) and even the little shit Hertzog with his “all Gazans are guilty” proclamation, have destroyed all the goodwill Israel used to enjoy. Two thousand years of persecution and finally, after a horrendous genocide, you get a break, and what do you do, bugger it up :roll_eyes:

Let’s see what the elections bring, in Israel and in the US. If I was one of the mad mullahs in Iran I’d be sitting pretty and waiting to see.

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I’m not sure it does. In rural France one can find local producers who are respectful of their animals, and buy good quality meat via court circuit retailers. You might even see 50 or 100 pigs living happily outside and can go and scratch their ears. Which is wonderful. But this is such a minuscule proportion of the total production!

Something like 90% of pork in France is produced by farms with 500 to over 2000 pigs. Who you never see as they are all tucked away in huge sheds.

When something says “this is…” it seems to mean that ~ALL is thus…
Surely much better to say some/many/most…

similarly sweeping statements regarding people can give the wrong impression and (sadly) often seem to be linked to negative things..
The French blah blah
The British blah blah
The Whatever blah blah

EG: so much fairer to say something like.. in the main/many of The French blah blah… or only a minority of The French blah blah… 'cos it’s not likely to be absolutely every French person… although, one should never say never :rofl:

Generally I would have thought people are sufficiently able to distinguish when a phrase is absolute and covers 100% of something, and when it is indicative. “This is what is going on” is just saying that it is happening, but not saying it is happening everywhere in every slaughterhouse.

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