Looks like its all kicking off in the Middle East

Just seen the headlines, hope to god its over quickly and old turban head and his ilk are gone.

I assume that you mean Khamenei?

Derogatory “pet” names do not further any debate, you know.

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The US and Israel have demonstrated yet again that they cannot be trusted, that talks mean nothing and there will be yet more destruction all so that crook terrorists in office can keep their dirty laundry hidden and themselves out of jail. I mean Trump and Netanyahu, just in case there was any doubt.

I am not a fan of Khamenei and the Ayatollahs in general but this isn’t how to go about dealing with Iran.

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Iran hasn’t been complying with the agreement about enrichment; they’re pretty obviously trying to develop nuclear weapons; they’re sponsors of terrorism; they oppress their people. Obviously par for the course for a Muslim nation, and I’m quite sure Trump has no idea what will come next, but it couldn’t be worse.

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Sadly, yes it could.

I’m inclined to believe it’s a combination of what @vero described and a need to feel significant on the world stage for Trump, long standing hatred for Netanyahu plus keeping out of jail.

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Any religious fundamentalists, I think you meant to say.

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Hmm, based on the history of US driven regimen change I’d say it could definitely be worse.

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I’m not aware of any other faith that, in government, does the following

fails to comply with the agreement about enrichment of uranium
is trying to develop nuclear weapons
sponsors terrorism
oppresses its people

but I’m always ready to learn.

What state would you nominate as ticking those boxes?

North Korea?

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Yup, because it’s people who do the oppressing, rather than the faith. Theist, atheist? Both equally potentially unpleasant.

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No: only oppression ticked.

They already have a nuclear arsenal and they don’t do a great deal of terrorism.

I can think of a supposedly Christian nation that already has nuclear weapons and is doing very well at sponsoring terrorism and suppressing its people.

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Nobel Peace Prize for Trump, anyone?

What a complete and utter contemptible shit that man is. And I am using the mildest language available…

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A s**t with a very short memory, at that.

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Among the non Muslim nations, Israel, India and North Korea.

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Nope. Clear separation of religion and state.

Nope. See above.

Never mind :wink:

In principle the USA is a secular state; in practice the Christian right holds a lot of informal sway, and Presidents of all denominations and backgrounds have paid at least lip-service to Christianity.

And the practical application of both economic power and military force by the US has been very far from complying with Christian principles, not just under Trump, though he is one of the most egregious examples.

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I think Israel fits that description pretty well Porridge, though they already have nuclear arms of course. Plus you would need to add genocide, the intentional slaughter of tens of thousands of women and children, bombing hospitals, killing, imprisoning and assaulting medical staff and intentionally murdering journalists to the list to get a better match.

I have no time for the Iranian regime, but Netanyahu, Ben Givr and Smotrich are as bad, if not worse.

Who knows where this will lead, but at the end of the day, as with Iraq, the US will be a nice safe 9,000km away from the mess. This time around though, Israel will be stuck in the middle of it.

If I was an Israeli I wouldn’t be too chuffed about that.

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Yemem North Korea I believe

What a plonker :roll_eyes:

“Major Combat Operations” sure sounds like “Special Military Operation”. Why can’t these clowns just call a (unjustified) war a war.

" The UK government is at odds with the Trump administration, having denied permission for the US to use RAF bases for the strikes because of concerns over international law.

That sentiment was echoed by Peter Ricketts, the UK’s former national security advisor, who said the UK would not consider the attacks legal.

He told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: "None of this, I think, is in any sense legal in a way that the UK would recognise.

“There was really no imminent threat to the US. This is action that they chose to undertake, or were dragged into it by the Israelis.”

Lord Ricketts added that the Israeli government had “pre-empted any risk that the US-Iranian negotiations were going to reach some sort of deal on the nuclear programme”. Source: The Independent.

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