Making history: (Vaccinated cured or dead take 2)

I suspect it’s the irony of Elon Musk calling Justin Trudeau a liar through his website, and giving money to the protestors.

Thanks - no idea the old loather said that, I remember him on top of the pops radiating creepiness.

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That nasty piece of work caused a young pregnant girl to take her own life and that of her child which would have been Saville’s.

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Makes sense. This was how it was looking right at the beginning.

Allowing for population growth, taking excess deaths has been said by quite a few people as the most reliable current measure as it avoids problems with different data collection methods. For example IIRC France is not counting deaths at home but UK is.

The co-morbidity, as well as actual deaths is going to come out of this data. It looks like it will have a long tail in folllowing years still impacting death rates, adding more need for medical help and of course still adding excess deaths in later years of people infected now. Even if no one ever gets infected again.

Food for thought. Let’s hope further waves don’t make this unimportant.

Because Trudeau went on state owned tv and called The Freedom Convoy and all their Canadian and global supporters “a small fringe minority with unacceptable views” and depicting them as extremists and racists…

Which is clearly not the case…hence why Liar.com is now redirected to Trudeau’s Wikipedia page

There’s always two sides to the story Helen, some of the people in the convoy were seen carrying signs with Nazi symbols likening their treatment as anti-vaxxers to how Jews were treated in Germany in the 1930’s, war memorials have also allegedly been desecrated.

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Yes MSM will always focus on a solitary incident whilst totally ignoring the message of love peace hope and unity that is happening right now in Ottawa…

The organisers distance themselves from any incident not in alignment with their purpose and know how to spot agent provocateurs who are reported to the police…

They have laid flowers on the monument to the unknown soldier and have their own ‘guards’ there…

Haven’t they also blocked a US/Canada border crossing?

Coutts/Alberta…??? Or…???

Yes and it’s still blocked, quite what that’s got to do with vaccine mandates is beyond me.

Freedom of choice…??? Bodily autonomy…??? Informed consent…??? Freedom of movement…???

As I understand it there are a not an unsubstantial group of truckers in a cleared area who were on their way to Ottawa…the police seem to have stopped them from leaving and a lawyer is there in negotiation with the police…

All things you have Helen.

I would say that I along with many others do not have informed consent or freedom of movement at this time

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You can make your own choice, either get vaccinated or don’t and no one is stopping you from moving around if you want to.

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Back to the Joe Rogan/Spotify/Neil Young controversy…

Is there any truth to this…???

On January 6, 2021, Neil Young sold half of his catalogue to Merck Mercuriadis’ Hipgnosis Song Management company. Later that year Hipgnosis merged with Blackstone in a USD$1Bn deal. However, just a month before the merger Blackstone announced that they appointed Pfizer’s former Chairman and CEO Jeffrey B Kindler as the company’s Senior Advisor.

You do like your conspiracy theories Helen, a former Pfizer employee’s new employer owns part of the company that bought some of Neil Young’s music so that must mean…

He ‘believed’, but he’s a doctor, not an epidemiologist or pharmaceutical scientist- belief seems a tad inadequate - more religious than scientific. I wouldn’t ask my local garage for their belief on whether or not the internal combustion engine contributes to global warming.

Glad to see that @tim17 and I appear to agree on something…

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He kept the masters and sold 49.9% of the catalogue, precisely so he work retain control

Untrue. There was no merger at all, Blackstone partnered so Hipgnosis would have more cash flow to deals like the Neil Young one and took a small equity stake, but Hipgnosis is worth so much that Blackstone would have to pay 50bn, or maybe even 500bn to get any sort of control, the funds are worth a heck of a lot more than 1bn

This may well be true, I’ve no idea, but it has absolutely nothing to do with Hipgnosis or Neil Young. Blackstone invested in Hipgnosis because music rights are big business currently, not because of some nonsense conspiracy theory to do with Pfizer, anyone with even the most basic knowledge of the music industry will tell you that this has nothing to do with Blackstone or Pfizer, Young specifically set up his deal so he had complete control of his output still.

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So worth exploring further….??? :thinking:

Joe Rogan with his millions of listeners didn’t come under any scrutiny until he mentioned that he overcame covid quickly with an FLCC protocol including ivermectin….

He was vilified in the press…

Next he had Dr Peter McCullough and then Dr Robert Malone on his podcast…two 3 hour conversations….the only two episodes I have ever listened to in their entirety….

Not in terms of Neil Young, Spotify or Hipgnosis, no. 100% not. There is zero worth exploring there. I thought I made that clear. What I was saying may be true is that a Pfizer CEO now works for Blackstone. I couldn’t be bothered to Google that tbh, purely out of laziness because I spend all day every day of my career dealing with things like song catalogues and Hipgnosis, so I was trying not to think about it more than necessary now. Maybe a director of Pfizer now works at Blackstone, tbh that wouldn’t be surprising given how vast Blackstone is, they hoover up all kinds of people who ran blue chips and governments, but that has zero to do with this issue so other than ascertaining whether that is true or not it’s not worth giving a single second’s thought to this.

Joe Rogan has come under years of scrutiny, he’s an awful man. This just isn’t true. What has changed is the 100m deal with Spotify. He’s effectively gone from being on an internet radio station, one of 5 billion in the world, to being prime time on BBC One instead of EastEnders. If I’m one woman shouting out of my upstairs window into the fields I can say pretty much what I like, if I’m at half seven in the evening on BBC One it will be a very different matter.

I’m afraid that to say that he hasn’t had any scrutiny in the past just shows you don’t know him or his history, he’s had a lot as he’s had some pretty unpleasant people on over the years saying some pretty unpleasant things, but he was doing it from upstairs window then so it wasn’t such an issue, now he is doing it on prime time network tv.

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