Hi guys,
I am hoping someone (maybe Andrew?!??) but anyone can put my mind at ease with this. Having moved to France at the beginning of this year which was befallen with many personal unexpected circumstances, I only really decided if I would be staying in June. I then de-registered as self employed in the UK in July and registered as AE here so my first quarterly declaration of income is due this month. Only a couple of weeks ago I signed up on an AE info site and today I get a reminder of the new rule/legislation for AEs that ALL AEs MUST declare their income by 31st Oct.
details here
I am presuming from what it says that, this is about income declarations for 2013??? Similar to the deadline in the UK for online filing being Jan 31st???
So my questions are:
1. Am I right in thinking it is about declaring income for 2013?
2. If so, what does this mean to an AE who only registered in 2014? Do I submit a declaration of €0 or nothing at all?
Any insight would be appreciated.
Ta chucks!
The irony is, that with the net-enterprises forms (URSSAF declaration) it works out and shows your deduction that they then extricate from your account. I have double-checked occasionally in the past and no issues there. Calculators are for Doubting Thomas(ina)s.
Yes, join us in the AE group and you will always get the info you need.
You got it Sarah. Effectively you do not have to declare 28th July - 31 August until January but, I can not see it would do any harm to make a declaration for the 31st October covering said period and then you are covered.
Aha!! Found my other brain cell and now I am with it!
So....I thought I had to declare after 3 months of trading (not so), I declare only on specific dates (30 April, 31st July, 31st October and 31st January for the preceding 3 months income). Hence the 90 days rule since beginning of trading DOES apply to me as I began on 28th July and so that makes it 64 days for me until end of Sept. However, as you say Marie-Claire it would be prudent to declare my 64 days of earnings even though, from what I gather, my first payment will be due at end of Jan (and will be therefore payment for the 5 months of trading) when I make my second declaration. Is this correct? That way, I am obeying that rule that came into effect in 2011 of ALL AEs declaring even when NIL.
btw - I found this and will put it here mainly for historical purposes, should anyone search and find this thread in the future. Here is a link to a site that provides some very useful calculators that are kept up to date annually for cotisations, TVA, pension etc.
French Self-Employment calculators
I think I may need to join Valerie's site which seems to be very informative though I wish she did monthly or quarterly membership to help spread the cost.
I'm much older than you, had plenty of certain ages already :-(
Despite that, when push comes to shove, tell me the right numbers (dates) and I can still count on my fingers. Whatever the case, you are OK. We probably had the same kind of thing happen to us when we arrived because we also registered and got our stuff during a July. Nothing happened that was untoward in our case, so no reason why it should happen to you.
You were right to calculate this way. You are expected to declare and pay a portion of your earnings to URSSAF every 3 months. The dates are as follows: Jan 31st, April 31st, July 31st and October 31st. From now on, you can only declare on line (no more paper based declarations). If you go to the lautoentrepreneur site with your SIRET number, it will calculate how much you need to pay. Based on experience with URSSAF and the "better safe than sorry principle" I would most definitely make a declaration by the 31st this month especially if you don't have any other social security.
Hi Brian,
I think you got the 10th from Tim's snippet. I was calculating the days from 28th July to 31st October!! Silly me. Once you get all these dates thrown at you, it becomes befuddling, particularly when you reach a certain age. :-)
I worked on the basis of 10 July from somewhere or other. 28 July, makes it only 64 days in the quarter finished 30 September, therefore 31 January is your deadline for the bill you get early January when what Clare says is right. 28 July to 31 December will be (exceptionally) your accounting period. Don't panic!
Sarah , that is 90 days in your first official Qtr July -Sept. Just to clarify!
You need to declare everything you made between the date you registered as AE and October 31st. Not doing anything until January will get you in trouble as you might not be covered by RSI and have to pay a fine as you have missed two deadlines, July and October 31st. Declaring nil is fine, not declaring is a good way to get in trouble, especially if you have been earning. I wouldn't try being creative with the URSSAF, talking about 90 days and so on.... sticking to their deadlines is what works best!
I did the same as you Brian until now ;-)
Sarah you haven't gone past 90 days of trading, so, your first return is due January and will cover the period from 28th July to 31 st December 2014.
Aww guys, I thought I was sorted, now I am confused.
Ok, I registered as AE from 28th July 2014. Yes I do have earnings to declare from august and September and chose quarterly, so are you saying I have to declare my income by 31st October for the period 28th July to 31st October (which I had thought was the case anyway) OR as per Tim's snippet, I don't need to do anything until January??
HELP!! :-(
10 July - 30 September = 82 days, so yes. I bet some of us simply counted three months completely, I confess I did. So, end of January it is.
At least it prompted me to submit mine, no need to wait until the end of the month at risk of forgetting that way.
Beg your pudding, you are correct ;-)
The key to this is the 'after a minimum period of 90 days' the first declaration should be made.
But that is for monthly reporting. If you declare trimestrielle:
Périodicité trimestrielle
Vous devez effectuer votre 1ère déclaration à la fin du trimestre suivant la date de début d'activité. A cette date, vous devrez déclarer vos chiffres d'affaires pour chaque trimestre.
Exemple : vous créez votre activité au 1er février et vous optez pour une déclaration et un versement trimestriels de vos cotisations. Vous effectuerez pour le 31 Juillet les 2 déclarations suivantes : 1er et 2ème trimestre.
Exemples :
| début d'activité |
1re période déclarée |
1er paiement |
| 01 février 2014 |
Du 1 février au 30 juin |
31 juillet 2014 |
| 10 juillet 2014 |
Du 10 juillet au 31 décembre |
31 janvier 2015 |
Hiya Sarah!
Thank you for the reminder.
I would think that all you have to do is to declare the income you received this last quarter, and no more.
Kind Regards,
Jacques
I think this is where the confusion lays. I agree with you Gerard. As I have pointed out in the link to the AE portal. As Sarah has said, she has nothing to declare for 2013 but she has to make a declaration for her first quarter if she opted for quarterly as per in the instructions in the portal unless she has opted for half yearly declarations.
You are quite correct Brian but; it is for those who have always completed paper in the past who, if they exceed the thresholds indicated, it is now compulsory to do it on line.