NIMBYism (plus a dash of racism) alive and well in Oxfordshire

Much the same as addressing a man in a letter as Mr. or Mister, really. But not accurate, the word migrant could be used to describe emigrants as well as immigrants. These people stepping out of rubber boats on a Dover beach started out as emigrants and have now come immigrants and, because of the way they have arrived, are illegal.

So, by that logic, the neighbouring countries should bear the entire burden of populations fleeing strife.

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I think the “correct” term is “irregular entrants”?
ie they entered by non standard, but not necessarily illegal, means. If granted asylum the means of entry was legal.

“Illegal” vs “irregular”?
The former seems loaded with prejudgement to my ears.

So should all of those who flee danger stop as soon as they find the first safe place?
Look for yourself at the number of refugees that Turkey, itself a poorer place than any European country, houses.

The majority of asylum seekers do not travel over many borders. Most do already stop as near to their original country as they can.
If we want more to stay there, then should we not support Turkey etc with more aid to fund better facilities?

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This is still relevant on refugees. Tim Loughton in November 2022 forcing Suella Braverman to admit that many don’t have a legal route to get to the UK. Mainly because the Tories closed them down.

https://news.sky.com/story/suella-braverman-fails-to-explain-how-asylum-seekers-can-get-to-uk-safely-and-legally-12753780

It is well recognised that the best place to deal with refugees is at source. I’d argue that even better is not creating them in the first place.

The few that do reach our shores mostly do so because they have some tie to the UK, even if that is only that they speak some English.

I don’t think they are illegal even at that point as long as they are cooperating with the authorities in their return home.

Of course some do disappear at that point so would be illegal.

In fact most “illegal” immigrants are those who have overstayed visas, or who no longer meet their visa conditions.

The general estimate given for the number of “unauthorised residents” is 700-900k, it sounds a high number but is only about 1% of the population. It is also higher than France both as a percentage and as an absolute number, it is about the same or slightly lower than Germany.

Obviously, by definition, it is very hard to count undocumented individuals.

By the way - a big factor in recent increases is Brexit in that mother of all unintended consequences - the lack of ability to send migrants back under the Dublin agreement.

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Brexit is responsible for a lot of things but this isn’t really one of them.

The average per year sent back between 2008 and 2020 was only 560 per year.

“For example, in 2018 the UK made 5,510 outgoing requests and successfully transferred 209 people out”

That is true, but the cutting of info sharing means that those who fail to get asylum in the EU, now get a clean sheet to try again in the UK. Previously finger prints and other info would have been shared, that is now mainly for serious crimi als apparently

It was widely held to be a significant deterrent to people even trying to cross the channel in the first place.

Also another Brexit own goal.

What antifa or pro Palestine thugs what would they be there for? What a stupid thing to say.

A bit more punctuation may have made this remotely understandable.

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Don’t have to speak English to work in the NHS or care homes.

I thought they were illegal immigrants. Most are playing the system.

Sadly Mr butcher is a silly Billy. Thinks he knows well not a lot really.

Punctuation, for goodness sakes, punctuation!

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Good point. :+1:

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A bit of civility goes a long way.

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I assume @john_nolloth knows that Billy is a forum moderator.

Evidence please. It varies but 75-80% of claims are ultimately granted, indeed were granted by the Tories when they were in power and if a Tory administration agrees that many have a legitimate claim they probably do.

Well, you carry on thinking that if you wish. It might help if you came up with some evidence, you know, of my ignorance.

It’s not something I’ve looked at previously, so I might be wrong, but I think that figure refers to 2022 and to claims granted at initial decision. It was unusually high that year.

Rejections outnumber acceptances, as can be seen from

Source: How many people are granted asylum in the UK? - GOV.UK