Interesting to read that although France will not allow its athletes to wear a hijab in the Olympic village, the IOC says that this location is theirs and their rules apply.
Itās difficultā¦ France is meant to be a secular countryā¦ with religion kept to a personal/private levelā¦ (I know Iām explaining this badlyā¦ but ā¦)
Therefore, if one is officially representing France (the country)ā¦ one needs to be seen to appear secular ie not wearing anything which has a religious linkā¦
what one does/wears/says in private is, of course, another matter.
It will be interesting to see how this plays outā¦
Firstly, whether or not itās a threat to public order is a secondary issue. The primary one is not representing secular France in an official capacity in a religious garment. However, Iād be interested to learn if this has ever, or is ever likely to be applied to professional footballersā tattoos. Donāt know about les Bleus but certainly lots of S American players have Christ tattoos (inspired by Maradonaās āhand of Godā?).
A sub-point to the above is that in a situation where most competitors are wearing highly refined technical clothing to help them achieve a maximum performance, traditional, or quasi-traditional Muslim garb is likely to be a hindrance and the wearer is unlikely to be able to compete successfully at the highest level in most track and field events.
Secondly and on an entirely different tack, as a retiree, Iām not familiar with current Health & Safety legislation in the UK or France, but I think it could have been used to ban the abaya - imagine a wearer tripping on a flight of stairs in a crowd - or having an accident in woodwork while using a lathe, or a deep fat fryer in a cooking class - trailing garments are hazardous in all sorts of situations - if people want to wear them on the street thatās fine, but thereās lots of situations in modern institutional life where mediaeval garbās not that practical and can actually be hazardous.
It is if you are representing France in an official capacity as a member of a national team, because itās against the law. Itās just as against the law as wearing a hijab at work if you are a civil servant, for example.
You have a different idea of what constitutes public order, then.
In general, from what Iāve seen, itās the extreme anti-religionists and the far Right who would be the threat to public order, not the (perhaps repressed) women wearing the garment.
In the UK the government panders to the far Right and is subject to criticism by the UN, just like Franceās!
We donāt want to normalises a drift towards Wahhabi-type Islam nor do we condone any ostentatious expression of religious affiliation in a state context. Thatās how we do things, you can like it or not but itās the law.
Repressed women donāt get to represent France at the Olympics because they arenāt allowed to do sports just as they arenāt allowed to get enough education to get a job as a civil servant. So hijab-wearing isnāt necessary.
The far right and the far left both need to be kept in check as well.
Who are these extreme anti-religionists of whom you speak? Here you can be as religious as you like, just at home or in a place specifically dedicated to your religion, not in the state-run sphere (school, mairie, tax office, police station etc)
Looking from the outside, a lot of what the French government says about Islam is quite repressive. Iām not a Muslim, as you know, but I take what you might call the Martin Niemƶller āFirst they came for the Communists ā¦ā view.
If you create a culture hostile to a substantial part of society, then you encourage people to be beastly to each other. It really does start to look like the UK!
I completely understand that the French might feel under threat, especially in certain areas like 93, but that is just leading to a rhetoric of conflict and repression.
How ethnically diverse is the French government, by the way? Is it only Pap Ndiaye, or are there other non-white people?
There is probably a greater proportion of non-white people in the government than there are in French society as a whole, I havenāt done the arithmetic.
I tend to think that as with most European governments there are too many old white men but thatās probably just a knee-jerk reaction on my part.
Im not trying actively to offend you here but every time you talk about religion in France you demonstrate a complete (and dare I say it deliberate) miscomprehension of how we do things here so Iām not going to continue a pointless discussion we have had several times before, Iām not a fan of ourobouros.
We donāt have religion in the public sphere in France. It is a private thing for home or a specifically dedicated place. Noticeable adherence to any religion or other affiliation is not allowed in state organisations. Thatās all. We donāt care what the religion is, if it is making itself noticed, it will be made to return to its proper sphere. Right now itās Islam, often politically instrumentalised but it doesnāt alter the fact that it needs to stay at home. Maybe it could be a different religion in a few yearsā time. It is the same for any religion.
We donāt care what sort it is and we donāt want to know.