Yes, although it probably won’t be this week.
I will post a number for those who are interested in at least listening to a counter view.
The first is an introduction to the issues from cardiologist Aseem Malhotra.
He put his career on the line to speak out.
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particularly when they don’t have the patient’s full history and antecedents to draw on?
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I said credible links Aseem Malhotra is a grifter
Paracetamol ruins your kidneys, if taken in high doses, but to each its own!
There are lots of bad things that social media allows people to do.
What you have done is one of the worst, and that is to express opinions about medical issues that run the risk of being read by people that may not be very intelligent, might be poorly educated or simply not that worldly and these people can and do take what they read online as being “gospel”. My own father used to be in this category, before the internet it was “this bloke up the golf clubs reckons blah, and he should know because he came first at Cambridge”. And, as usual, the advice offered WAS TOTAL SHIT.
I don’t care if statins work or if it’s all in the mind but when their doctor prescribes something after careful consideration of their medical history and symptoms they feel better. The mind can be a powerful thing, hope can be a powerful force.
So to spout off like you have done is painful to read.
What did you hope to gain from that statement?
Are you on a crusade to do something, if so what?
Don’t say do not shoot the messenger, there is no message to send, it’s your views you are giving, you are creating the message, you are creating the hits to videos you like and you agree with.
Leave it to the doctors and medical staff please.
I don’t want any of this type of rubbish to create fear, worry or doubt in any vulnerable person’s mind, you have no idea who reads this, their mental state or capacity to understand it.
This forum is not only read by people looking to survive France - it get’s picked up by search engines for all sorts of search terms, anyone can and does read it.
“It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so. “ – Mark Twain
Please pause and reflect before banging out a reply.
Henri
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Well said Henri
Whilst some may not be influenced by what they see on line, some are. And when Aseem Malhotra is used as an example ,with his dodgy Covid book and his extensive private practice,( he never put his career at risk )
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Try to stick to the data rather than character attacks.
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Now I know where the data is from I don’t want to see any more
Thanks
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If one is in line for a pacemaker one would hope that they did an angiogram first!!
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Why do you say that ?
because, that’s the way it works…
I have a pacemaker/defibrillator so I speak from personal experience.
Little point in fitting a device it the arteries are blocked… need to sort out the basics first as part of the investigative process 
Sometime, all that might be needed is inserting a stent which can be done at the same time as the coronographie, monitor progress thereafter and then decide on the following courses of action.
That is what happened in my case. Before fitting the pacemaker/defibrillator (which are expensive pieces of kit and require contrôles to ensure correct functionality), scans may also be appropriate to check on heart muscle function and to consider appropriate medications to improve muscle function.
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2nd video.
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@Corona I cannot understand YOUR reasons for promoting this type of video?
Could you be so kind as to explain why you want to promote this?
Here is just a small reinforcement of why statements made on social media by people who are not medical professionals can be so dangerous.
And this is what YOU said " Statins is a prime example of a 1 trillion dolar business which is no better than a placebo. ** might be 1.1% better than a placebo, 1% means not statistically important."
You didn’t say X Dr has said this or said that, in the statement above which you made you created the message, you were not a messenger, it’s your message, your view.
It’s dangerous because people can and do believe what they read online - even if it’s wrong.
Here’s the evidence of this - A CONTROVERSIAL ABC program, Catalyst, presented by Dr Maryanne Demasi, that led thousands to stop their cholesterol medicine breached the ABC’s standards on impartiality.
By omitting a principal relevant view — held by the National Heart Foundation and other experts — that statins are useful in primary prevention if carefully targeted, the program “had the effect of unduly favouring the perspective that statins are ineffective in primary prevention”.
The Heart Foundation welcomed the ABC’s action.
“The Heart Foundation was one of the many organisations and individuals who raised serious concerns about the information presented in the ABC Catalyst."
The ABC’s Catalyst program lost its weekly TV slot and its 11 staff – including the suspended presenter Maryanne Demasi who was suspended after having been found to have breached the ABC’s impartiality guidelines – will be made redundant under a radical plan approved by the ABC board.
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If you have peer-reviewed articles published in recognised journals I will very gladly study them and consider the data and conclusions.
Its my message, not my view, the view of professionals who have looked at the claims of drug companies with their 36% improvement using statins which IS false, in the small print it states the real risk is 1.1% that is on the drug companies advert at the bottom in small writing, pretty obviously on the advice of the company lawyers.
The national heart foundation were in the majority paid or on the payroll of the same drug company what would you expect them to say?
Did you actually watch the video? If thousands stopped their medication thats up to them, but as statins have very little effect and the drug company lowers the cholesterol levels when sales plateau as they have done before then thats a fair number who may not go on to suffer dementia and other side effects.
Who do you think bought off ABC’s hierachy???
So far I have posted the videos from people who have carried out surgery on heart patients and clinical data analysers. They post data not rhetorical opinion.
Why am I doing this because science and the truth need to be heard. Find an independant person with an opinion that counters the data then we’ll have an opinion. Meanwhile I will post a brillant explanation of how statins work and why cholesterol is not the demon it is made out to be. Except for the small dense particles which are of major concern yet are NOT tested for. The author of that had his own scare and he had to educate his doctor on the subject and now works on the Irish heart disease awareness.
The first of his talks is a gentle explanation of risks and cholesterol.
i will later, but the ones I post are from meta studies and the most famous studies to date, they make a clear correlation and I feel are worthy of viewing. I don’t put these up to waste viewers time.
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Hello @Corona
In your view the general public is not to trust the National Heart Foundation or The Australian Broadcasting Company (ABC) as they get “paid off”.
And when someone doesn’t agree with information you supply to back up your view you come back with "did you actually read the blah or did you actually watch the video etc).
What you see when you read these things, what you see from the videos you watch is then understood in your brain in a certain way.
It’s what makes you, you.
But just because another person doesn’t see the same things you do or agree with the same thinking as you doesn’t mean they haven’t watched it or read it - what it means is the items are not compelling enough to convince someone.
You see it so many times, online and in person, where information is presented, it’s read, not agreed with and then the person that gave the information says “did you even read it!”.
Telling is not selling.
I’m just not buying what you’re selling.
Have a nice day @Corona
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It was a simple question, did you watch the videos?
As regards ‘cheapness’ there appears to be a cartel at work: every pharmacie around me sells them all (brand name or generic) at €2.18 the 16x500mg or 8x1000mg.