I seem to have lived in a different world…
Camberwick Green… WoodenTops…
Well, that was an unpredicted turn.
Back to the original subject:
I’m going to put my hand up on this one - I can’t find anything which says an “ordinary” (i.e non-WA) residence permit conveys extra privilege outside its host nation but it is clear that WA residence permits, indeed probably other residence permits will convey exemption for EES and ETIAS and there are no border checks internally in the Schengen zone anyway so even if the 90 day rule continues to apply there’s basically no way to police it.
If you fly into another EU state there are checks.
seems reasonable… no problems with anyone checking my credentials
I admit it does go round and around… but “non-EU person Resident in France” doesn’t apply just to Brits…
You will not need an ETIAS travel authorisation if you are:
A holder of a residence permit or a residence card issued by any European country requiring ETIAS
FAQ: EES Does NOT Apply to:
- Holders of residence permits and long-stay visas
I had the same a few years ago there in my car. Did you see the airport style scanning machines ?. They took almost everything out of the car and put several items through the machine whilst hand checking the other stuff. They also checked the underside of the car, the wheel arches etc and used a sniffer dog. It took about 40 minutes in total. I did wonder at the time if they had some sort of tipoff about a particular type/colour of vehicle and that mine matched. All clear.
I’ve flown several times within the EU to/from France to Portugal, Italy and Ireland since Brexit. We only had our passports checked entering and leaving Ireland, I assume because it isn’t part of Schengen. No checks, apart from having a valid boarding card, were made for Italy or Portugal, which are within Schengen. Strangely, we didn’t have any checks leaving or entering France to/from Ireland which I would have thought should have been done. This was Carcassonne airport though
I wonder if we’re over-thinking…
I’ve a French neighbour who had to get all sorts of documents together, before she flew off to wherever on holiday the other year…
and another… recently on a cruise… had to have all her docs with her…
Makes sense that the Travel Authorities/Companies do know who they’ve got on board
However, there does appear to be a gap where Brits with WA residence cards are concerned.
Outside our countries of residence, the 90/180 day rule applies to travel in the rest of the EU, but the EES is the system that is meant (in future) to monitor movements across the EU’s external borders by third country nationals who need shortstay visas to make visits and also those from countries who do not need such visas.
So, if they are exempt, it’s not clear how the movements of Brits with WA protection will be monitored.
Which is exactly what I said above
Are you bovvered, Biff? personally this is one I would not be jumping up and down on. As compared to just seeing how things turn out and raising questions only if turns out there is sn issue.
What ´docs’ ? Other than a passport ? Or presumably a visa if it was a country requiring one?
Last week I travelled from Luxembourg to Tenerife Spain. A trip within Schengen. I have a 10 year WA residents card. I had to show my passport at check in and security at Findel Airport Luxembourg. No stamping. On landing in Tenerife I did not need to take my passport out of my pocket. We went straight through to baggage claim.
The Facebook group Brits Living in the EU27 (7 years after brexit) has over 7,500 members who are all British Citizens who live in the EU. They will have the answer to these types of questions.
Membership is restricted to those who are resident in the EU, EEA and EFTA
That’s interesting. I never check in luggage, and most airports just use those boarding card scanners to get through to security, so no passport required. Maybe if you check in luggage, with an actual person present. they do check your passport, just because they can ?
Quite an exclusive club then, might take a look.
Ryanair for one check your passport against your boarding card at the gate. I don’t think it’s security, it’s some bee O’Leary has in his bonnet about making sure whoever bought/booked the ticket is the one flying.
Possibly depends on the country to be visited and the transportation.
When I went to visit friends for lunch onboard the Residensea vessel anchored in the SoF, I had to leave both my passport and CdS with Security onboard, only to retrieve them when disembarking. And I didn’t even leave the harbour!
I expect things are getting tighter to monitor flow of illegal immigrants, terrorists and others. Seems increasingly that people will need to present ID wherever they may go. Let’s just hope we remain under a benign government.
Now I come to think of it, I have had my passport looked at when boarding on some Ryanair flights, but certainly not all. Bezier to Bristol recently with Ryanair certainly didn’t check, just the boarding card. Don’t think you actually need your passport in this case though, and it’s not really a passport check in any border control sense.
That’s more to make sure that you don’t stow away on the vessel when it does leave harbour. The documents go in the Pursers safe and are handed back when you leave the ship. Any left means a stowaway.