I wonder if any one can help me? My other half is french, we aren't married but it isnt impossible that that will change. He spent many years working for his parents, up untill he was 37, and they paid only the most basic of charges so his pension is ridiculously small, 400E a month. If we were married and lived in England would he have any rights to some form of English pension in his own right? I think not. If we aren't married how would it work? We are thinking of going to England as my mum is getting ancient and at 91 would appreciate some company if nothing more!If wr go how would he stand???? Help please!
Whatever. I elect to stay clear of the NHS since it is a dangerous health hazard.
Might have been a Chinaman? "Electile" dysfunction perhaps?
BTW don't anybody be suckered into thinking Elective Admission is something to do with sort of optional clinical procedures such as buttock implants or lip pumping. It could be something to do with a serious and reasonably urgent medical need. I think the phrase sort of softens the public impact and further demeans the so called "consultation" process.
If what happened is a "consultation" then the Government have clearly not complied with their own guidelines!
We are "expats" and firmly remain "ex-patsies"
Dunno, but he/she was not of this world.
Which Jobsworth wrote this ?
"don't advertise that you drink wine for lunch as ID-S will pick that up for his WFP campaign. Me- I'm saying nothing............"
Bugger!!! Me & my big mouth!! It was non alcoholic Mr ID-S, honest----Hic!! Good man David, don't give 'em any info. to get us with!
So, I'm not allowed a glass of red (or anything stronger than Tizer) and according to this I now have to give up eating so that IDS does not add the fact that somebody living in SW France has smacked his lips when putting a slice of bread in his mouth!
You can, I am sure, get it in Begali or Urdu and for a man of your calibre that may be easier......not sure about Breton though!
The NHS is already considering withdrawing treatments from some patients who over "enjoy" food and wine- don't advertise that you drink wine for lunch as ID-S will pick that up for his WFP campaign. Me- I'm saying nothing............
Do they have a benefit for people requiring an interpreter and there I mean the average, reasonably well educated English first language user like you or I?
It looks like a charter for keeping undertakers busy to me.
Really sorry folks- just read this guide to admissions in the NHS. Gobbledegook sufferers should seek urgent admission:
Guidance for selecting the correct Elective Admission Type/Admission Method
The appropriate Admission Method and, where applicable, Elective Admission Type for each individual Patient case must be determined locally, using the NHS Data Model and Dictionary definitions.
To clarify whether an admission is elective or an emergency, the NHS Data Model and Dictionary definition of Admission Method states:
- Elective admission, when the decision to admit could be separated in time from the actual admission.
- Emergency admission, when admission is unpredictable and at short notice because of clinical need.
If the Decision To Admit is at short notice and due to clinical need, and the Decision To Admit and admission could not be separated in time, (i.e. the admission could not be delayed to some later date), then the admission should be recorded as an emergency admission. It is a clinical decision as to which category is assigned to a Patient.
Where it is determined the admission is an emergency admission and the Patient is admitted to the same provider the Admission Method is recorded using the appropriate 'Emergency Admission' code available in the NHS Data Model and Dictionary definition for Admission Method.
If it is decided the admission is an Elective Admission, the Elective Admission Type may be recorded as one of the following:
Waiting list admission: A patient admitted electively from a waiting list having been given no date of admission at a time a decision was made to admit
Booked admission: A patient admitted having been given a date at the time the decision to admit was made, determined mainly on the grounds of resource availability
Planned admission: A patient admitted, having been given a date or approximate date at the time that the decision to admit was made. This is usually part of a planned sequence of clinical care determined mainly on clinical criteria (e.g. check cystoscopy)
If treatment is arranged and does not have to be on a specific date, then it should be waiting list or booked. If treatment is arranged for a particular date then it should be recorded as planned.
A planned admission is one where the date of admission is determined by the needs of the treatment, rather than by the availability of resources.
Examples of planned admissions in addition to a check cystoscopy would be follow-up chemotherapy sessions which are necessary at regular intervals; and admissions arising from other treatment, e.g. the planned removal of an internal fixation after three months.
If treatment requires a set delay before initiation, then it could be considered as planned. However if it could be started immediately given sufficient resources, then it should be classified as either waiting list or booked, depending on whether the Patient is given a date at the time of the Decision to Admit.
Joie de vivre & a few glasses of Rose with my lunch :-) Can we stop this now? It's getting silly!
NO! One is allowed to claim for a partner, but only one partner. If a couple are cohabiting then it does not matter whether they are married or not, man and male life partner, woman and female life partner but not cats, dogs, hamsters or their like. Two wives is yet another one of those tidbits of sensationalism that grow out of proportion when one of the unspeakable rags puts a 60pt big black headline on its front page.
Seriously, consultation now means a set of meetings between minister(s), advisers, senior civil servants and the flunkies they send out to talk to senior management in the areas they are consulting on. That includes when it is called 'public consultation' which means some questionnaires sent to a random selected small sample of people with a calculated 30% return of the surveys. How things have changed.
Yes, exactly right on the process of getting NHS treatment. As I said recently, referral via the local crematorium most likely. Which you confirm with your final point.
Simply marrying you (which you say is not a possibility) could increase, not your pension, but any benefits if you say you support him in England and you are resident there. Before you go, why isn't he contacting the French authorities? as they say that any individual needs a MINIMUM of 650€ per month just to live, so why aren't they giving him top-up benefits? Social workers here are very kind, mine told me they cannot augment an English pension but they can augment a French one. The Mairie will tell him the person to contact in your region. Maybe he doesn't want to go to England.
Great consultation process- I though consultation should include those to be affected by it or maybe that's gone out of the window to save money too now? OK so you think you need an operation in the UK? Where exactly? You need to see a GP, get a referral and go through the booking and waiting period. That would take weeks, months etc and cost an absolute fortune. My late wife came to France already suffering from cancer. I booked a GP appointment in France on the phone before we left and she was receiving specialist treatment within one week! I know that elective treatment may not always be urgent but how is it defined? We wouldn't want to go to the UK anyway as my non EU wife needs a visa which theses days is a huge pain in the a**e and the NHS seems to be causing those not curing them. Very expensive and time consuming as well. Mind you deceased patients are cheaper than alive ones.
I read about it recently. It is a joint stitch up designed by IDS with Hunt seeing yet another saving for the NHS. I don't see the logic myself, since surely to pay out here rather than there is an all round saving. If, for instance, I had to go back to the UK because this definition of 'non-essential' rustles up my heart implants being unnecessary, I go back and ask a heart specialist on bended knees (not really) and then get the green light for treatment, then I would be asking for every imaginable type of assistance because I have nowhere to live, my 'pension' is too little, etc. Surely many other people would have to do the same. Therefore the overall cost would come out far higher. Or is there something far more Machiavellian in this proposal which will contribute to disowning and dispossessing us all entirely?
"Good job some of us do then. What a strange answer !"
Why strange Doreen? You obviously got my drift or you wouldn't have replied in the way you did.
It is I believe a proposal for consultation in the UK at present. Some bright spark thinks that as British expats "may" return to live in the UK there should be a 5% reduction. I can't understand the linkage myself. http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=813138
Doreen copied and pasted from another expat site
There are all manner of rumours abounding locally (VillerÃ©al area)
concerning alleged changes to the French/British reciprocal healthcare
arrangements from I January 2015. One information source, usually
extremely reliable has prompted my concern in particular. Could
anyone either confirm or point me in the right direction for any
information. My medÃ©cin traitant has of yet no knowledge of any such
It is alleged that the current arrangements will change at the start
of the new year. Emergency cases will still be treated in the same
manner and cost/payment structure. All cases of elective surgery,
i.e. non-emergency, will no longer be treated in France but in the UK.
This raises all manner of questions, how will the treatment centre be
chosen, who is expected to pay travel/accommodation costs, how and
where will consultations be conducted, possible post-op recuperative
care and finally what sort of waiting time may there be?
Should these alleged changes be fact then there is considerable
needless coyness from the appropriate UK government department(s),
explanations must be sought.
Finally any such change could have cause additional problems for the
expat community where some members have no family nor relatives in the
As I dimly understand it, the UK proposes to reduce the amount
they pay various EU countries for expat healthcare, by 5%, and are
offering various concessions in return. One of these is that expats
will be allowed to have non-essential surgery done in the UK if they
wish - not compulsory (as yet, anyway). It is also proposed to stop
issuing S1s to early retirees (the old E106), who will have to pay
their own way from Day One. Those already issued will not be affected.
None of the proposals will affect OAPs (yet!).
I imagine France will cut the amount they pay the UK Government for
their expats by 5% as well, so everyone will end up back where they
started after a lot of shouting and arm-waving.
Think this could be a couple of things, not sure, but just in case:
Sustaining services, ensuring fairness:
A consultation on migrant access and their financial contribution to
NHS provision in England
http://consultations.dh.gov. uk/overseas-healthcare/ migrant_access
http://ec.europa.eu/health/ cross_border_care/policy/ index_en.htm
The consultation period is over for this, one of the worries was that it would see the end of S1 certificates of health entitlement for early retirees planning to leave the UK who head to countries within the EEA.