Speeding fine reform - 08/12/2023

Wow, they have a highway code in France who knew? Does it say anything about using indicators and how to do roundabouts :joy:

rule 17.2.1. Indicate randomly.
rule 17.2.2. Choose any lane you like.
rule 17.2.3. if there are 2 lanes on exit, be sure to straddle them both.

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Flat out :slightly_smiling_face:

Thank you, so basically no change unless etc. However I was pleased, especially as it was so easy, that they insist I change because I may have missed the total loss if I forgot before getting to 70. :grinning:

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And the racing line :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

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It was so much easier at the Prefecture and generally quicker but too many wanted to “hang on” to their UK licence and even renew in the UK which in itself is an offence in the UK if you are not a resident.

Now many are paying the price as they are no longer getting their grandad rights C1/C1E/D1/D1E.

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I actually looked at this a few years ago, and I think it’s the same as in the UK (except the other way round obviously :smile:). Im pretty sure the French practice of indicating left on entry to a roundabout unless you’re turning immediately right isn’t in the code.

Strangely, around here, that doesn’t happen. Most drivers, no matter which exit, seem to hug the outside of the roundabout. It looks comical to me. It’s me that often takes the racing line, as long as it’s safe of course :wink:

We have been through all this before and I re-iterate that all French HGV instruction as far as I know advocates keeping to the right on roundabouts while indicating left until you pass the last exit before the one you want and then switch to indicate right.

I have always followed this principle as being the best way to prevent speeders undertaking and risking squashing under trailer wheels which obviously take a tighter line, but also to indicate to drivers waiting to enter the roundabout exactly what your intentions are.

So I was well pleased when I went on the obligatory 3 day refreshment course for experienced drivers (less experienced ones (less than 10 years I think) had a much more rigorous and lengthy one) and the instructor said that was the rule and gave exactly the reasons I did. :grinning:

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I saw a lady near Dreux on the inside of a roundabout take an exit right across the path of the HGV on the outside lane. T boned across the face of the tractor unit.

I rest my case m’Lud. :wink: :rofl:

Many years ago I was following a Ford Prefect van with 2 Yank servicemen in it from a nearby USAF airbase. They were bumbling along at very slow speed obviously lost when suddenly they indicated left and pulled off to the side of the road. I took my chance and accelerated past but, at the last minute the driver spotted the road he wanted off to the right and immediately turned right across the front of my wagon.

I turned right in a vain attempt to avoid them but it was too late and the van was skewered on the end of my crash bar and all I could see was the roof, below my windscreen level, bobbing up and down as I pushed the tyres sideways.

The USAF police were soon on the case and very concerned for my well being, ignoring their driver who was shaking like a leaf. His expression turned to disbelief as we all headed for the hills, he was lighting a cigarette right next to the open end of his petrol filler, the cap having been torn off in the collision.

A final joy for me was the 2 British coppers who eventually arrived far more severe with me in their attitude but, after all was done and dusted and before we all went our separate ways, I had to push their car to start it after they had left all the flashing lights on too long. :rofl:

Yes I know it’s sensible for HGVs, as you have pointed out before, but it’s not in the French equivalent of the highway code (which may have been just for cars) from what I remember. @Stella posted a link to it some time ago. For cars, it’s always been sensible to use both lanes appropriately if there are two. If not, then why are they there ? :thinking:

Well, if she’s going to do that, then she deserves to be hit. That’s just stupid. You have to know exactly what’s on your inside (or outside) on a roundabout at all times, look and think ahead, and be prepared to change lanes when required to exit the roundabout in a safe manner.

Edit : That reminds me of my first driving test. I was taken from the test centre outside Halifax into the centre of town. Just outside Halifax is a large 3 lane roundabout with four sets of traffic lights on it . As I approached, I realised that I had never, in all my driving lessons, been taken around a roundabout :astonished:. After a few seconds of panic, I just did what I thought was sensible and got on with it. I passed the test without any comment about the roundabout from the examiner. Phew :face_exhaling:

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My thought exactly, she wasnt hurt being LHD but was really shocked.

My thoughts exactly, I don’t think there should be and, I see increasingly they are forcing traffic approaching roundabouts into one lane, so it isn’t only the heavy fraternity who thinks so perhaps.