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I think you’ve made your point.
And Ancient’s, about human nature.
A variant in Essex was to tell my wife how wonderful it was that all the foreigners would have to leave post the Brexit vote, only for them to hurriedly say ‘but not you of course’ when she pointed out that meant her as well.
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I had a similar discussion with my parents.
It’s always shocking when people do that, and I’m sorry it happened to your wife.
In Devon you don’t see many black or brown or yellow people but the Reform UK Ltd party is very strong in some places. Up the road from me they control the council.
There has been a lot of housebuilding (on greenfield) probably because of the average houseprice and level of profitability, so although there’s a shortage of housing, it’s for poorer people, as it always will be unless we rebuild all the council housing which was sold off, and more.
I wonder what the Reform enthusiasts think they are going to get that’s not worse than things already are. Our birthrate is around 1.37 from memory, compared with 1.64 in France. If they have shitty zero hour contract jobs, as many do, they are going to be voting for more of the same thing. A few thousand black smallboaters is very annoying but has little overall effect on our economy.
They are grasping at straws. The heart of our national decline is post-imperial and following from that, post-industrial. Globally we are all entering a tailspin politically and environmentally. We also have post-imperial baggage and can’t dump it.
They just want to be at the top of the loser pile. How is your prepping going…
Thicko Brexit bigots who are getting the opposite of what they voted for now. Couldn’t happen to nicer people.
Or perhaps we are just being polite? A public forum is not necessary the best place to be too rabid about anything. Which is why I don’t participate in the political threads as I disagree with a lot that is said (written).
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Maybe you’re just not woke (enough), @JaneJones !
I think it’s a problem that affects the whole of politics. It may be that you and I and @Roger_Lapin and, I’m sure, other people here and elsewhere don’t do politics like this, but for most people, they identify their tribe and stick with it, right or wrong.
Maybe for you - certainly for me - that sort of tribal approach is unacceptable: life and what is important is too complicated. Every election is damage limitation, voting for the person and party which will benefit the locality/nation most and/or do the least harm! I’ve voted for all three major parties in the past, though mostly that meant Labour, mainly - most recently - because it was Mary Kelly Foy.
The idea of a single tribe is anathema! I’m not a sheep but someone who tends to see many shades of grey.
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Trans women risk personal assault if they use a men’s washroom, which represents a big part of their motivation to access female restrooms. Trans men using a men’s washroom also risk harm (from cis men) so they might not be keen to push for that access.
(Some) Heterosexual men have a history of physically assaulting those they don’t like: gays, people of colour, men they perceive of as weak and bashable, women they perceive of as prey. The trans argument is just an extension of that, not a totally new thing. Unfortunately, the right has created this as a ‘culture war’ item, a creation of the ‘woke’, etc.
Why can’t we just protect people; the people who are really being victimized and bashed, not the theoretical victims (cis women in women’s washrooms). I have asked around and in an unofficial survey, I have found zero female acquaintances who said being attacked by trans women in a washroom was a concern. Being attacked by cis men anywhere and everywhere was.
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I wonder how many trans women (men) have been attacked in men’s bathroom?
Why can’t women decide what is right for them?
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Probably more than have attacked women in the women’s loo. But why can’t we just have mixed loos with cubicles as I saw at the aire de la correze a few weeks ago, and it bothered nobody. If there are people who are bothered eg for religious reasons then by all means have a single sex loo as well. If there were also some way of stopping people (mainly men) peeing all over the place that would be good too.
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Chichester seems to be sorting this out without too much hassle - loos for men, loos for women, loos for anyone.
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Really? A step in the right direction that I haven’t come across before. Can we assume that trans women and trans men get along with each others’ presence in the same place? 
They are all single, lockable cabins. So no sharing.
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In all 3. or just the 2nd and 3rd options?
In all 3. They are in a row (more than one of each) in one of the main carparks in town.
Brilliant. 
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Agreed.
We spent the summer in British Columbia (my previous home). This is the kind of sign you saw on most public ‘any gender’ washrooms; this one in a small, resource extraction, working class town, not a bastion of ‘wokeness’:
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This is to address the issue of who is assaulting who. This passage was preceded by statistics on the high level of assault that trans gender people experience, compared to cis gender people (male or female). Since we already know that lifetime assault stats, particularly sexual, for women are horrifically high, this is significant. On the other hand…
“There is no credible evidence that trans women commit assaults in women’s public washrooms at any significant or disproportionate rate compared to cisgender women. This myth has been repeatedly debunked by research, law enforcement, and advocacy organizations.
Key Findings:
- No data supports the claim that trans women are more likely to commit assaults in public restrooms. Studies and expert reviews consistently find no evidence linking trans-inclusive restroom policies to increased assaults or harassment[^1][^2][^3].
- Gender-segregated spaces (like restrooms) are not targeted by trans women for criminal activity. Most assaults in these spaces are committed by cisgender men posing as women, not by trans women[^4][^5].
- Policies ensuring access to appropriate restrooms (based on gender identity) do not increase safety risks. Instead, they reduce harassment and violence against trans individuals, who are already at high risk of assault in gendered spaces[^6][^7].
Why This Myth Persists:
This false narrative is often used to oppose policies protecting transgender rights, despite lacking factual basis. Organizations like the Human Rights Campaign, National Center for Transgender Equality, and ACLU have repeatedly refuted these claims with data and expert testimony[^8][^9].
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