The Ukraine situation, where will it end?

Trump is a bully.

Bad enough but he is also going to send the Uighur refugees back to China. We know what fate awaits them there.

How can the Universe allow this, I can think of no better word, devil, to go on hurting humanity?

I’ve doubt the murderous duo Putin and Netanyahu are opportunists, and neither of them can believe their luck :roll_eyes: That such people go unpunished appalls me.

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It’s possible the timing  is because he believed Ukraine would eventually join NATO so he wanted a pre-emptive strike. In this aspect, at least, he has won completely - though IIRC NATO won’t allow countries to join if there is dispute about their borders or internal dispute so it is likely it would never actually have been able to join anyway.

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Are we (the EU and possibly the world) beginning to strategically plan for war?

Ukraine will quite rightly be included in the next round of ‘peace’ talks to be held in Saudi Arabia:

Mr Zelenskyy said on Thursday evening: “Next Monday, I have a visit planned to Saudi Arabia for a meeting with the Crown Prince. After that, my team will stay in Saudi Arabia to work with our American partners. Ukraine is most interested in peace. As we told [Mr Trump], Ukraine is working and will continue to work constructively for a swift and reliable peace.”

Seems Tromp himself will not be at these meetings. Probably just as well.

Although, in a press meeting yesterday Trump revealed that he is planning to travel to Saudi Arabia himself “probably over the next month and a half”.

I can’t help thinking the US intention is to draw this out while Putin fires off more missiles and North Koreans to wear down Ukraine’s resolve.

Perhaps Trump can be taken before the ICC for causing deaths in Ukraine.
I know America is not a member but that would stop his world gallivanting to be fawned on by other world leaders, including the UK.

Interesting analysis

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Each time someone, not least Putin, says that Ukraine is Russian because they speak Russian, I can’t help thinking perhaps UK should have back possession of Australia, New Zealand and Canada (except Quebec). While we’re at it, let’s add America And get rid of Trump.

Not India though, because they speak multiple languages. Chagos also no interest.
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You missed Ireland, the only one the UK has a common border with.

I think Wales should claim independence then annex parts of Patagonia. I fancy living in South America.

That might be an exercise of optimism over experience :smile:

I wonder if a US stationary vehicle carrying airline fuel off the UK coast rammed by a cargo vessel with a Russian captain and crew will be giving Trump pause for thought?

I hadn’t thought of that angle :thinking:

That’s why i posted this in the political humour thread, ie, not funny haha but funny peculiar.

I got into the habit of spelling the name of the PM of Israel thus: Netanyahoo, for 2 reasons. Firstly because I had to think hard to remember the correct spelling, but also because I thought it was fitting to call him after an uncomplimentary term for a wild person wilfully inconsiderate of the lives of others.

Reading my current book by Susie Dent of ‘Dictionary Corner’ fame, I saw the true origin:

Yahoo, Jonathon Swift’s name, in Gulliver’s Travels (1726), for brutes with human forms and vicious propensities. Swift may have based the word on a blend of the two exclamations of disgust. ‘yah’ and ‘ugh’

And now think that it is even more apt.

In a similar fashion, a friend on another forum, well experienced in travelling in France, insists on always calling the President of Russia ‘Putain’.

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The U.S. ambassador to Ukraine Bridget Brink, who just resigned, had this to say about the present situation.

I was U.S. ambassador to Ukraine. I resigned because of Trump’s foreign policy: to put pressure on the victim, Ukraine, rather than on the aggressor, Russia. I have proudly served five presidents ― Republicans and Democrats ― to make sure the United States is the strongest, greatest country that the world has ever known.
I respect the president’s right and responsibility to determine U.S. foreign policy ― with proper checks and balances by U.S. Congress. It is the role of America’s Foreign Service to execute that policy. Unfortunately, the policy since the beginning of the Trump administration has been to put pressure on the victim, Ukraine, rather than on the aggressor, Russia.
As such, I could no longer in good faith carry out the administration’s policy and felt it was my duty to step down. After nearly three decades serving our country, I resigned as our ambassador to Ukraine. I cannot stand by while a country is invaded, a democracy bombarded, and children killed with impunity. I believe that the only way to secure U.S. interests is to stand up for democracies and to stand against autocrats.
Peace at any price is not peace at all ― it is appeasement. And history has taught us time and again that appeasement does not lead to safety, security or prosperity. It leads to more war and suffering.

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Omig*d this most makes me think Trump could be being paid or controlled by Russia.?

Ah, the Manchurian Candidate Conspiracy Theory - true or false?

Personally, I don’t think the Russians need to pay or control him, instead they can just let him do what he thinks is good for Trump, and that’ll be sufficient for Russia.

Despite Trump’s apparent faint frustration with Putin, I think that’s mainly due to not being able to immediately grandstand as a peace/deal maker.

Whereas in fact, Trump’s a lousy international political dealmaker, who has frequently made unnecessary opening concessions to other parties but got nothing in return. In that respect, it’ll be interesting to see how far he goes in really ditching Netanyahu…

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I really don’t care what she thinks, she’s a Genocide Joe appointee to the Ukrainian role. She has supported the US and the UK approach of fighting to the last dead Ukrainian to stem the Russian tide. She hasn’t lost her mother or father or husband or brother or sister or son or daughter in this conflict, thus it’s easy for her to talk.

No shit Sherlock Bridget? :roll_eyes:

This from the US who didn’t care about WWII until Japan bit them in the bottom.

And history has taught me, I was born in 1953, that war and suffering has been caused inter alia in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan , Syria, Lebanon, Cuba, and too many other countries to mention by the US.

Now the US, a country I once admired, is supporting genocide.

This is well worth watching.

If this is true, the ‘west’ has bought hydrocarbon fuels from Russia to 3 times the value of aid to Ukraine - and we wonder how Russia can keep going!