I repeat my earlier comments about the right of everyone to live their lives as they wish, as long as it does not impinge adversely on others. The Dale Farm ‘travellers’ sadly do not also subscribe to this premise.
A member of my own family is involved in this situation, at a very high level,in a professional capacity, and he and his staff are being constantly harrassed and threatened outside his office if he does not give responses to questions that suit the will of the 'Travellers’
Of course children should have access to education, of course health care should be available to all those who need it, those are basic human rights. BUT, with rights must come responsibilities. not to necessarily ‘sign up’ to everything that a particular society believes in, but at least to have respect for the laws of that society.
Hi, me again !!Yes the majority of the illegal side of Dale Farm are not nice people at all, the surprising factor is that on the legal side the English Gypsies/Travellers have mainly moved off the site until the Irish T’s have been evicted!!! Not much is said about that in the media…The IT’s mainly have houses in Rathkeale where they go at Christmas and ruin the lives of the local people there for 2/3 weeks, others have properties in Wolverhampton ?? Bizarre I know and I am not even mentioning benefits/housing etc !! Cant wait until Friday and hope they get evicted and go back to Wolverhampton/Rathkeale !!
@ Richard Peter Dubieniec, we are talking about abiding by the planning laws here. This is the basis on which Basildon Council has obtained the eviction notice.
There seems to be a hard core of people who will not accept that they have broken the law and are using any means to try and circumvent that due process.
I think that your comments about responding to the world about them and the community in which they live applies equally to the intransigents at Dale Farm. One can only assume that they feel that they do not belong to the law abiding community and have set up their own enclave where there word reigns supreme.
The difference seems to be that travellers have the support & encouragement from human rghts societies to break laws as could be seen by the non travellers who arrived at Dale Farm to chain themselves to barricades whereas non travellers who live on benefits & commit crimes do not. How much of this view is encouraged by the media?
But they can still use the schools, hospitals, libraries, watch TV , earn money, keep slaves, deal drugs etc, actions that would make a resident eligable for a prison sentence but because they class themselves as travellers this is acceptable behaviour? Somebody please explain.
I would like to know where their income comes from, their tax liabilities, National Insurance contributions, how they pay road tax, car insurance et al? The travellers always seem to have plenty of money…
In a recent case reported in the Daily Mail, a couple were forced to demolish their £250,000+ house as it had been erected a little bit “off” the position of the layout approved by the local Council. And yet, these travellers seem to be indiscriminately erecting all kinds of buildings and can get away with it! Why should the law applied to a hard working couple who have invested all their money in what is now a heap of rubble, be different from that applied to a bunch of People of No Fixed Abode. The travellers DO, after all, have substantial homes in Ireland. They would not be left without a roof over their heads!
I used to live near them and they are not as they like you to think they are !!!They intimidated the local people, stole from shops and garages, caused 2 good pubs to close down due to their threatening and abusive behaviour…the children hardly ever went to school and local people had to take their children away so in the end it was just traveller children who were enrolled but if you study the Ofsted report you will see the absenteeism was way above average.A lot of peoples expensive tools and/or garden machinery went ‘missing’. The Police never went down there as they were scared of reprisals. They have absolutely no regard for anybody else only their own kind. Only 1 man was brave enough to stand up to them, Len Gridley. I was so pleased when I thought Basildon Council was evicting them but now they have got their own way yet again!! Travellers!!! I wish they would!!! M. Sarkosy didnt bother about appeals or the U.N. The old woman who had breathing problems funnily never has them when she goes to boot sales, walks around as good as everyone else…Well I’ve got that off my chest now…
I have been told that on the UK census form this year was a category ‘static traveller’. I strongly uphold anyone’s right to their chosen lifestyle, as long as it does not impinge on the rights of others.
Coming from East Anglia, I like to watch BBC for the East of England.
I found it very interesting that a young woman, a member of the ‘travellers’ community at Dale Farm, was condemning the fact that she and her family were being told to move away from their (illegally erected) dwellings by Basildon Council, she considered that this organisation had no right to do this as she and her family did not believe in, or want to be a part of that society.
She then added that being moved would mean that her 6 children would no longer be in school.This is the local primary school, provided by whom?? The local council perhaps??