UK riots, “it's a handful of thugs" myth

… or, primarily to forge a lucrative career - look at how they all gravitate to speaking on the wealthy US RW circuit.

Imitation IS the sincerest form of flattery.

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Hah, I knew I’d seen it recently

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A letter was written to the Home Secretary with regard to the rioting and concerns of the Muslim population, I will try to find it now. Here it is. Yes it is an Instagram account but I believe that it is accurate in its intention. We Deserve Better on Instagram: "Independent MPs are showing true leadership by demanding the Labour Government call out this racist violence for what it is: rampant Islamophobia and anti-migrant hatred."

Oh my we will have to disagree on this one. Do you expect the prisoners to actually become the wardens then, or is it a case of out of sight out of mind? Let them rot never mind who they take down with them? What about those who may become influenced by the thugs - prison is a breeding ground for subversion.

Yaxley-Lennon has posted a video to Twitter, or rather a “plea to the British public”.

https://x.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/1820831450565874086

In the video, presumably recorded at the 5 star Cypriot hotel he’s currently staying in, he says, “You can see they’re coming for me”, “I know they’re coming for me” and “They want to lock me up.”

Well, yes, being found guilty of contempt of court does tend to result in that.

Also, he looks and sounds very agitated in the video. His eyes are bulging and his veins are throbbing. It’s almost as if he’s taken some sort of stimulant just before recording it.

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What are the chances of him falling out of a window? Every cause needs its martyrs.

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And the grifting continues!

What’s the relevance of that?

He declared bankruptcy after losing a libel case, claiming he owed lots of money to lots of people. He still managed to jet around the world staying in the best hotels, and still does despite not declaring an income. I believe HMRC are after him for a big chunk of money.

Labours’ Jim McMahon was on R4 this morning, talking about the need to control online content and the way it’s being used to foment unrest. I hope it’s just that he’s being super-careful to stick to the party script, because he wasn’t answering questions that were asked, and didn’t come across as either intelligent or trustworthy. His Wikipedia page makes him sound good, but it’s very concerning that almost all the ministers from Labour who have been on were similarly not great. The only exception was Rachel Reeves, who did the “I have a bitter pill you will all need to swallow for me” voice a few weeks back, but at least she sounded like she knew what was going on.

While sticking to the party line is important, doing it like this isn’t going to win over those unconvinced.

Thank’s for the link Gareth. Well worth a watch.

As usual with any of this mis/disinformation stuff there’s truth in it too. It is Government policy and incompetence that has caused this, though not in the way Tommy says. IMO the Mail is as guilty as he is, but will the new Government go after it? Farage, May, Patel, Braverman, Sunak et al have all demonised refugees and asylum seekers, Is the Government going to go after them? I doubt.

Hammering the thugs that have been rioting must be done, and done quickly. If little Tommy Robinson and others have been stoking the flames (literally) then they should pay the price. But IMO as long as “respectable” politicians and journalists are churning out lies and stirring division then the Government is just treating the symptoms, not the cause.

Here’s a screen grab from the video with Mail front pages…

it starts around 2:45:45

I’m listening to it now. Anyone who can’t pronounce “with” is always going to sound a bit dim :slight_smile:

It’s difficult to take on supra-national messaging platforms, and perhaps impossible for a single country to do that. I think the questioning was unrealistic - we can’t stop Telegram etc - but he wasn’t very good at reassurance.

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That’s why it’s good to have friends that help you out in times of trouble. :smirk:

No one has mentioned about using the army! They got them out of their bases when the country was under water a few years back so whats wrong with using them now, not like they are fighting?

This is the nub of my US friend’s coment that the British had sold out their working class.

It started, more or less, post WW2, with the reasonable project of offering employment to the Caribbean populations - a great many more people were needed in certain sectors of the UK economy, London Transport was a prime example. The textile industries of Yorkshire and Lancashire were others.

Behind this process may have been the thought, in Gov circles, that the British education system was going to propel the working class up the social ladder towards ‘better things’ and leave a void it used to occupy in the UK economy. Remember ‘Two Jags’ Prescott’s quip, “We’re all middle class now”?

Following ‘Windrush’ the eviction from Uganda of the Asian population created a whole new sector of micro-entrepreneurs. The Asian corner shop/convenience store became a feature of British towns and cities.

The native British working class for whom upward mobility was not possible, for whatever reason, has been a ticking time bomb. These are the people my friend reckons have been ‘sold out’.

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He skipped attending court to go on holiday (and proudly boasted about it online).

He sets up Go Fund Me campaigns to ask others to pay for his legal fees whilst he’s on holiday at a five star resort.

Using the army for riot control is fraught with difficulty - not only are the optics of it not good, but squaddies are not trained to deal with (and defuse) civil unrest situations as the police are.

Think back to the Troubles in Northern Ireland and you will see what I mean.

It’s a very different situation from helping with natural disasters, where they do have a useful role to play.

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Your friends perspective is interesting, not least because they’re from the US, where many fled hoping for a better life. I wonder if many of those left were no-hopers by habit and unable to climb out of their hole. I don’t know, but it may be that they are culturally incapable of progressing.

But he’s right, in that there is a group at the bottom who are angry and disappointed.

Largely because they’ve been told to be angry and disappointed by the likes of Farage.