UK state pensions - declarable but not taxable which box to fill in on the French Tax Return?

2020 is the first year I have (finally) received my pitiful UK State pension.

As we all know this is taxable at source in the UK and is not taxable in France (along with many other UK government pensions both local and state) but it is declarable here in France.

The question is - which box do you fill in on your French tax return?

I have used my messagerie personalisee to ask the French Tax authorities but want to be able to cross-check the answer I get from as many sources as possible.

THere must be many people on here who have been receiving and declaring their UK state pension on their French tax returns for many years. their advice would be welcome.

I’m sorry, you are wrong. Yes it is assessed for tax in France along with your world wide income - it is not a Govt Service pension per se (even though HMG pay it). You need to complete the Form France-Individual if you have not already done so in order that your tax situation re the Double Taxation Treaty is correctly handled by the HMRC. Any tax you pay in the UK is notified to the French fisc on the tax return by you. Govt Service Pensions paid by the likes of Police, Fire and Local Authority, & certain NHS are taxed rightly in the UK but the State (old age) pension is not.
There is a #stayontopic thread specifically set aside for completing online tax returns in France which explains what goes in which box on the French tax return which you can consult at your leisure. There is no need to repeat the information here.
Helpfully, the guides are located here

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Nope, you should as Graham says do the paperwork to get it paid gross, as it is taxed here. I’m only repeating this here so you get the reassurance that this is completely correct (not that I have mine yet, but OH does).

Look at the links he provided, very helpful and very clear. 1AM is the way to go! ( the only box number I can remember as I always read it as “I am”.

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Not unless it’s civil service pension.

All your above respondents are correct!

I think at some point you erroneously conflated the tax regime of UK government pensions (Civil Service, teachers et al) with that of the UK state pension. The former are taxed at source in the UK and the latter are taxable here in France.

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According to a very helpful lady in our local tax office, it goes like this -
Salaries, Box 1AG ( worry about tax already taken, particularly in the case of foreign salary)
Private Pensions, Box 1AM
State Pensions, Box 1AL, and also Box 1AH of form 2042

If a seconds declarant has a state pension - Box 1BL

I made an appointment with the tax office to fill in the form simply because our income is complex. Three state pensions from three different countries, salary from a 4th country. Plus the usual add-ons for interest from savings accounts.

Don’t forget the forms for declaring foreign bank accounts.

The lady I saw was actually nice enough to check everything against the big rulebook they have, and then actually fill out the forms for me.

Hope this helps.

Oh - state pensions do not attract the CGT charge in France, but Private pensions do. So get an S1 if you can that exempts the private pension too.

I have now had a reply to my question from the SIP at Limoux.

“La pension d’état doit être déclarée ligne 1 AL de la déclaration 2042.”

1AL is “Pensions percue par les non-residents et pensions de source etrangere avec credit d’i,pot egal a l’impot francais” (apologies for the lack of accents).

Done the declaration for non-french bank accounts (don’t forget about PayPal etc.).

The SIP at Limoux have been very helpful.

@Grahame
Sorry, but you have mistold the SIP at Limoux the status of your pension which is why they have told you to place the figure in 1AL.
The State pension is NOT, I repeat NOT a government pension as outlined above and your state pension figure should be reported in box 1AM.
If you ask them again, this time making it absolutely clear that you are asking where to place the figure for the state pension, NOT a Govt Service Pension, I am certain they will confirm that you place the figure in box 1AM. If you told them it is a Government Pension, I can well understand why they have been misled into giving you the wrong information.
Perhaps someone may be able to advise you the penalty for being economical with the truth to the fisc…

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@anon65742194 please listen to Graham, he is telling you the right thing to do.

Does not necessarily mean the UK government state pension, but a government pension.

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What our local tax office told us here was that it wasn’t a “state” pension - it was known to them as an “old age pension” and therefore had to go in 1AM as it was taxable.

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Absolutely Angela. But much depends on what the fisc were asked to respond to :wink:
The answer the OP got was correct for Government Service Pensions but not the OAP which is what the OAP aka “State Pension” is known as in the UK. It is clearly set out in the Double Taxation Treaty.
I’m concerned that people may read the OPs comment and mistakenly believe that they having been placing the OAP figure in the wrong box on the French tax return. It’s significance is important because, if the OP is in receipt of other income in France which he has to declare, placing the OAP in the wrong box might impact on his tax position if it otherwise tips him over the limit beyond which tax is due.

Even more so when the OP implies this is an official response from the fisc when it is in fact the answer to a different question!

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The perils of using google translate!

Literally translated ‘La pension d’état’ does mean the pension of the state. But of course in French this is nothing to do with the old age pension, but is a government pension.

Please Graeme listen to advice, as what you are doing is wrong and could open you up to penalties.

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