Vaccine war reality

Seriously, the UK has already given 15% of the population their first dose but that only merits a ‘6’, whatever would you give France?

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Perhaps the journalist in this article gives some clarity of the damage the EU has caused. I love my life here and have no problem with the people but these politicians clearly have a chip on their shoulder …

Perhaps a less biased newspaper may give such a suggestion more credibility.

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Right now I’d probably give France no more than 1!

But they do have some credit on the score card, which is more than the UK has.

You live in Europe and read the Express?

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I totally disagree.
All of our UK friends and relatives aged 65 have received a vaccination.
As have my NHS ex- colleagues.
My bed-bound mother received her vaccination at home 2 weeks ago.
Our policeman son is on a stand-by list.

In contrast, in France two friends with serious medical conditions have had their appointments cancelled.
None of our other over friends (65+ years) including those with medical conditions have managed to book appointments.
I’ve also been informed that not even our local pompiers have been vaccinated.

I would have thought that after the complete farce of rolling out this winter’s flu jab, that lessons would have been learnt!

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Jane the amount of jingoistic spin emanating from the UK political class on this matter should come as no surprise to me, but I am still disappointed. The UK (and Russia) shortcut their approval processes. AZ only applied to the EMA for approval in mid January and because the EMA had been using a rolling review they were in a position to respond with their decision quickly.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-receives-application-conditional-marketing-authorisation-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/update-rolling-review-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine

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Sure Nigel, but IMO Johnson (and Putin) took a punt and I really hope it works out. But for British over 65s it might not. EU countries are tending not to use AZ for older people because of lack of data. The UK approved it for exactly the same reason - there is no proof it doesn’t work. That probably reflects Johnson’s swashbuckling and cavalier attitude and the EU’s more conservative (small c) approach.

You pays your money and you takes you choice. but personally I’m happier with the EU approach then Johnson flying by the seat of his pants.

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The countries are also responding to very different situations John - UK deaths are well over 40% higher than covid deaths in France, ICU beds in France have generally not been anywhere near full - indeed in my area they have hardly been over 25% occupied - it’s a long, long way from the UK situation. (Indeed, the situation here is even now far better than it was in some UK hospitals before the pandemic - where I spent a lot of time with my Dad, who died in one in 2019.)

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My mother 80 has had her first vaccine jab and now my sister 62 also. All my NHS colleagues have had theirs too. However friends in the Dover area that had theirs have said a lot of people are not turning up, so the practice staff are getting their families vaccinated instead of just throwing the unused vaccine away. I suspect it does have a lot to do with transport but at least the UK are actually getting it done.

I get news from loads of sites tbh. Express is just one. The journalist was based in Belgium I believe for the article though, so probably freelance

Rather you than me in having bumbler Boris, sure there are somethings wrong with EU and Macron, but don’t buy into a world dictated by right wing ERG…red wall constituencies will rue supporting him when true blue Southern shire County MPs (aka Redwood) stop him sending money there

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I wouldn’t rely on a populist eurosceptic conservative ‘newspaper’ for objective or even truthful reporting about Europe.

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‘Rather a shame but my confidence in the EU and Macron has been shattered’, you say!
Strange that you have so much confidence in Boris and co. that you want to go back to the UK. Have you seen the film Brexit ? Or read articles about it ? Have you watched the ‘blah blah’ sessions in the houses of parliament with prime minister’s question time ? Do you not remember the cascade of lies sprouted by Boris, Farge and co to dupe people into voting for Brexit?They’d never have survived in power in France! I find that you have a weird view of shattered confidence. Genuinely, good luck back in the uk because I think there will be tough times ahead. I guess you won’t suffer too much, having two homes, but do have a thought for all those people in poverty in the uk and who are losing their jobs because of Brexit and the Coronavirus pandemic. It is very sad.

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When I was commercially negotiating big contracts Best Endeavours was always used when the two parties couldn’t agree but needed to move the deal forward…the hope was it wouldn’t come to be used in a dispute

I’m was intrigued with this and amused…and found the following comments illuminating but pray what is the source of the actual word f…rty

so if your messaging is not open it means you can’t be contacted but you can still send ?

@strudball
Anyone who has already received a private message from me in the past … can reply/message back to me…
In recent months, I have adjusted my privacy settings… as can anyone… and Message is affected.

but I can always be contacted via @smw on the open forum (just like everyone else) … and will follow up from there…

@strudball as you will see, I have edited my post.

Definition of first timers …??

Agreed John. In my experience the only people who benefit from a “best efforts” clause are the lawyers. I got completely screwed on a $100m deal once when one of the team let the Client insert that "in the event of dispute we would keep working while we jointly made best efforts to resolved the dispute” . Of course the Client had no incentive to resolve any dispute. I’m surprised the AZ contract is so short but I guess it not a complex transaction.