Out of the two I think it is the UK government who were most disingenuous. Her Bangladeshi citizenship had never been claimed.
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Absolutely, it was weasel words by UK government.
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I seem to recall the last time ID cards were suggested there was a major protest, and at no time have they ever been welcome post-war in the UK.
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Itâs an interesting question, as to whether she could ever be rehabilitated to become a normal citizen again. It is natural that thereâs a wish to punish, and reasonable to suspect she may work as a terrorist from the inside covertly, and yet she has also suffered terrible personal loss as a result of her choices - a very difficult judgement to make in the circumstances.
Indeed, and I tend towards the view that she is potentially a victim of grooming unlike Farage who seems to be self-made.
It has been discussed at length on the forum - i agree that rehabilitation is an interesting question and many would say that she is irredeemable - but it is clear she was âgroomed, along with the two other girls that went off with her. I suppose she is alive, they are not so she has that to be thankful for.
As far as I know she is still stuck in a camp in Syria.
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I found it surprising. 57% isnât overwhelming, but it was quite a change.
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/why-is-britain-talking-about-id-cards-again-2025-09-30/
What I find most distasteful about the Farage saga was that he often targeted much younger boys to bully. Bullies never change their spots. His acceptance of bullying behaviour has continued into adulthood.
That he refers to himself as âa childâ when he was being racist at Dulwich is quite bizarre, heâs clearly using the term to fit his narrative. Someone who is old enough to work, legally have sex and get married, would not be referred to as âa childâ by anyone I know.
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Very good, Shamimia Begum as a random example of a teenager.
Erm no. All of the above are fucked due to however many years of Tory cuts to public services and flogging off whatever they could get away with.
And as an aside, I find your repeated use of the word âunknownâ incredibly telling.
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Oh come on - you are using the standard - and wrong - type of comment from those who seem reluctant to see the bigger picture. As for using the word âunknownâ - well - they are; - I think most european countries are facing the same problems. And how else can one describe those who turn up, illegally, with no papers, no documents, nothing - except their smart phones. If I used different terms I would be prone to being insulted by some posters on here. You suggest another term for âundocumentedâ illegal visitors then - go onâŚ
Asylum seekers?
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Asylum seekers are not, by definition, illegal once they have applied.
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Sure, maybe a touch mischievous but whatâs the difference in how their teenage years are treated?
Are you harbouring some transgender aspirations there Jane 
Simple, Begum joined a terrorist organisation aged 15 whereas Farage may have verbally abused some fellow pupils when he was roughly the same age.
You could of course argue that Farage poses a greater threat to national security than Begum ever did but thatâs a different issue.
Too late for that John.
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ID cards have been used in Germany since forever. The system of registering and de-registering with your local police station (now cityhall) has been in use since I can remember 60+yearsâŚ
The very large increase in population has been due to wars in the middle east & Ukraine. But Germans had âgast arbeiterâ - foreign workers since the 60âs to do tha jobs germans didnât really want to do any more. Italian, Turks, Yugoslawien, Spaniards, Portugese. Now in their 3rd Generation they have enriched the German cultural landscape . And yes there are problems, but the country manages to integrate. Itâs doubters like some right wing AfD âpatriotsâ and old leftovers from the 30âs & 40âs that are the loudest voices⌠but not neccesarily the majority of voters.
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the old â we have to gold plate everythingâ syndrome. Remember it from the UK days, every EU law had to be bettered and implemented immediately.
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I remember in student days one summer holidays working in a German food processing factory in Grevenbroich. Once I mentioned in the HR department that I was a gastarbeiter and they reacted. They assured me that as an EEC member I wasnât (not that it mattered to me one way or the other). But does it mean that since Brexit all British people working Germany are gastarbeiters 
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