Where to write Pension income in 2018 Déclaration de Revenus / Tax Return

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(Andy Jeffries) #1

Anyone already done their return for 2018 Taxes … and had it checked and / or certain about where to put both a UK State Pension … and also a ‘Government’ Pension ( Teacher’s ) ? I know they go somewhere in forms 2042 and 2047 of course as in previous years.

I’ve read in a guide sold by a “well known English Language newspaper in France” … that the latter go in 2047 part 6. There seem to be quite a few differences to last year’s process so I’m skirting around it trying to figure whether I’m making it too complicated or not.

Will try and head into my local office, set up camp in the queue and see someone who may or may not know what I’m talking about and need !

Thanks in advance for anyone who ventures some solid information !

(Terasa Holmes) #2

Andy this won’t help you but you might be able to help me! I have got the same Guide as you have and it tells me to put my UK rental income in Section 6 of 2047 but my problem is that I don’t have a Section 6. My return starts at Section 1 Traitements, Salaires, Pensions et Rentes Imposable en France and then it goes straight into 10 Traitements, and Salaires, 11 Pensions, Retraites, Rentes, etc. There is no Section 6. Can you help me at all? I’m getting really stressed with it all. I can’t find the 2042 C PRO for my husband’s work either. I’m thinking of printing out the forms and sending them off in the post.

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(Andy Jeffries) #3

Hi Teresa … actually, I too have rental income from UK to put on, didn’t mention it to keep things simpler but yes … I agree that it’s difficult to find a way through the online forms ! Not sure when the deadline is for paper submissions for you … where
abouts are you ? I’m in Gironde I think it’s the 28th May for me. May go down that route too … but may also try going to the Tax Office tomorrow and seeing how big a queue there is !

But the Connexion Guide isn’t very helpful I think and it seems to have been put together before the new forms / pages were sent out so they’re using last years. Even the update doesn’t help at first read.

I was hoping one of the experienced SF members might help !

Regards,

Andy

(stella wood) #4

You need to be quick if you are making a Paper Return… is it possible for you to visit your Tax Folk and get their help???

This year is turning into a nightmare for French and non-French alike… so no-one needs to feel embarrassed… but, the Declarations do need to be in “on-time”

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(Terasa Holmes) #5

My paper deadline is 15th and the on-line is 4th June. I need to sort it in the next few days because I have other pressing problems to sort out after that. I’m not too bothered if they fine me for being late. Connexions say the fine is 15 euros and it’s hardly ever used. I panicked last year and sent the whole lot off in paper form about 2 weeks late and didn’t get fined. Thank you and good luck with yours. I’m in Mayenne.

(Terasa Holmes) #6

Thanks Stella… I’m a bit pushed for time but yes in theory I could go off to the Tax Office but I think I’d rather just do the forms on paper. I sent them in late last year and didn’t get fined.
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(stella wood) #7

There’s never a need to panic… everyone is doing the best they can… but things do need doing…

Paper is probably easier since you will see at a glance what box is where… some have definitely changed…

good luck.

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(Simon Armstrong) #8

Just to be clear - the last date for paper submissions (nationally) is this Thursday 16 May.

(Andy Jeffries) #9

The lack of other replies makes me think either

(a) nobody has done it / knows what to do !

… or …

(b) everybody’s done it and don’t want / can’t be bothered to revisit it for this question !!

Being serious, if anyone does know the answer to Terasa’s and my questions, then we’d really appreciate some guidance …

(stella wood) #10

Andy… we’ve been thrashing out this year’s Declarations all over the forum in the last few weeks…

Everyone’s situation seems to be different… very few can actually say “this is IT”… and what has come out of our various discussions is… go and speak, face to face…

Ask the question of those in Authority… it’s their Form… :relaxed::upside_down_face:

It would be unfair to presume that forum folk don’t want to help…:zipper_mouth_face:

There is a section where you can “write whatever useful info”… if in doubt, put the info there… but, truly… face to face it…it pays dividends.

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(Graham Lees) #12

OOOO, you are awful - but I like you :kissing_closed_eyes: :rofl:

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(Andy Jeffries) #13

Hi Simon and Stella … thanks very much for what you’ve said re the particular questions Simon … and also generally Stella. As usual ( for me at least ) I have left things to almost the last minute, but a trip to local office here in Bordeaux is possible. I did it last year and they made some changes even though it was after the final online deadline.

I’m lucky in that there’s a Tax Office 15 minutes bike ride away … I know folk in the country who can’t get to one easily at all. What I haven’t tried yet is calling a helpline. Anyone have any experience of that ?

Thanks again Simon, will make un café fort and try and finish it today !

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(stella wood) #14
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(stella wood) #16

Is the gentleman at the French Tax Office… or where… ?? :thinking:

(Sarah Williams) #18

Yes, I spotted that too. The Govt and State pension gross figures go in two different boxes.
Govt 1AL and Private/state pension in 1AM

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(Simon Armstrong) #19

Oh hey - best you all pop down the tax office!:roll_eyes: I knew I shouldn’t have opened my mouth…posts withdrawn.

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(Sarah Williams) #20

From 2042 (blue form) pensions section -

Pensions perçues par les non-résidents. Pensions de source étrangère avec crédit d’impôt égal à l’impôt français . . . . . . . . . 1AL

Autres pensions imposables de source étrangère…1AM

Is a UK State Pension ie OAP declared as '"Privé" or "Public"?
(stella wood) #21

I think this year is the worst we’ve had in a long time… for folk with queries (including me)… here, on the Forum… and also at the Tax Offices…

I’m really looking forward to finding what the outcome is… some time in July if memory serves me correctly… :upside_down_face::wink:

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(Graham Lees) #22

I suppose you could say who gives a sh*t which boxes you use, provided you have declared everything and the tax you are asked to pay (if any) is according to expectations :wink:

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(stella wood) #23

I get your drift and am inclined to agree… except that getting things “wrong” in French-bureaucracy-land… generally has consequences of one sort or another… maybe not today… maybe not tomorrow… but sooooon…:upside_down_face::upside_down_face:

Let’s wait for July…