Have a property in in France for over 10 years now, live in the uk, hoping to move to France next year.
I am single , with no children. Some one mentioned to me that if you dont have a will, that should i die the property in France will just go to the state. Does anyone know if this is true?.
I would like to thank you in advance for any replies i may receive.
Do you have any relatives, at all⊠??? no matter how far âremovedâ⊠??
I believe that what you âleave behindâ goes to relatives and if you have no-one then, yes, it goes to The State⊠unless you make a Testament/Will to the contraryâŠ
If you have no one to leave your property to, please consider a will to gift it to a charity - far nicer than the state getting it i would have thought
The way it works is that a notaire will spend months searching for your second cousin twice removed. And only absolutely no-one can be found does it go to the State.
I do have a brother. I just wondered if it would only be left to chidren or a wife for example.
Thank you for putting my mind at rest. I will do a will just incase.
Welcome, CD - it may be appropriate to mention that the rules for Will making are quite different in France, and you should comply with those, as your property is in France. Ideally, contact a notaire, who will know exactly what to do - and you can file the document with them too.
That is true if you have no surviving relatives, but only after the notary in charge of managing the estate can not find a surviving heir ascendant or descendant:
Thatâs generally true but for foreigners it is slightly different since they can choose to have their will applied according to the law where they come from.
True, Vero, but a] you need to be certain that the possibilities of UK law does not involve a French inheritance tax liability; b] It is better that the actual document is written according to French law (ie. Hand-written; not witnessed; preferably dictated by a notaire); and c] France has tried to withdraw from this EU provision, and the whole thing is currently âunder discussionâ with Brussels.
Therefore best to play safe at the present time.
Oh yes testament olographe or document drawn up by and with a notaire, which is even better if the personâs French isnât fluent. You have more options than we do, nevertheless!
Not necessarily, it depends on how long youâve been married and how long youâve been resident in France. If theyâre both over 10 years then inheritance comes under french law .
Being married in the UK also helps as it is recognised in France as SĂšperation des biens and also as joint owners immediately. Children of the deceased are also immediate heirs and their share of the deceased partyâs property is apportioned after the spouse receives half of it - been there and done it. If not married but in joint names it is more complex if no french will such as en tontine done on day of purchase of property. If no immediate heirs, other family members are sought out and given the chance to inherit but taxes would be high if not french resident so many donât accept plus if the defunct has debts, they have to pay them off or renounce the inheritance, same with direct heirs and spouses if the deceased had debts they were not party to. You get 10 years in which to accept an inheritance and if you renounce it, you can still accept withinthe ten year limit - we did! At no time was there a demand for any UK will but then we did not have one being french resident.
This is getting too complicated for the purposes of Charliedeltaâs basic request for guidance; and their currently uncomplicated circumstances - namely a French property owner; becoming resident in France next year; single; no children.
A few points, therefore. 1] Property (indeed, oneâs whole âestateâ) does not go to the State on death. Under French law it will be passed to the nearest linear family member - and the notaireâs job is to identify this person or persons. This will happen automatically unless you make a Will (testament) setting out something different.
2] I am unable to identify any French law requiring 10 years of residency before it applies, as quoted by Mark. Could he confirm what he is thinking of, please. French law applies applies as soon as you are fiscally resident (ie. pay your taxes here).
3] Veroâs long quote refers only to the problems arising if you want to use your own national laws, but have a history of moving around the world previously - which countryâs laws can you opt for?
4] European Succession Law applies to all countries in Europe (not just the EU). France came into line with this in 2015. Then, in 2021, France changed their legislation to give greater protection to women - meaning that their provisions that enabled non-French residents to use their own laws no longer complied with European law. Effectively this puts the interpretation of the current French situation on hold until they agree to fall back into line (or European law changes).
Sorry, Mark, that hasnât made anything clearer! Far from it - since when did a tontine clause expire after 10 years? Never heard of such a thing! Unless you are certain that both of you will die before then, there would be no point in buying en tontine.