John, I know that, in the end, you decided not to proceed but could you cast your mind back and see if you can remember at what stage ANTS (now France Titres) asked you to submit a copy of your “carte grise barrée”?
Surely, before asking you to do this, they notified you of the amount payable?
I’ve been engaged in a ping-pong match with France Titres since early December.
Even though I made it clear from the outset that my request to add my husband’s name to the carte grise is not based on marriage (because it took place more than 30 days prior to the request), they kept asking me for a copy of the marriage certificate. No mention of the Cerfa form I was pretty sure they SHOULD have asked for, which is Cerfa 13750.05
I could of course simply have sent the marriage certificate but the problem is they also wanted me to send the carte grise “barrée”, ie invalidated.
I’ve been extremely reluctant to do that given that they clearly did not understand that, under their own rules, this request should be tested as a “changement de titulaire” and that it’s as if I’m adding Joe Bloggs.
In my last message to them I pointed all this out to them for the fourth time. And finally this morning they’ve replied, asking for a copy of my husband’s passport, a copy of the marriage certificate (I suspect this is just to save face) , Cerfa 13750.05 (FINALLY!) and a copy of carte grise with lines drawn through it (so invalidated).
No mention of payment.
At this stage, I’ve lost confidence in them and - rather than invalidate my carte grise and risk ending up in limbo - I’m tempted to abandon the procedure. Particularly as I’ve just downloaded Cerfa 13750.05 from the official government site and if you look closely, you’ll see the address section has been pre-filled with the word “Zimbabwe”.
So would I. Can I ask why you want your husband’s name on the carte grise? It never occurred to us with any car here, or in the UK. Surely not for inheritance purposes because I was told after Fran died that it made no difference that there was only my name on ours, her successors were still entitled to inherit them when I die.
I have a feeling that you have given the answer before but I can’t remember it now.
I had to re-apply for a new carte grise for the family car as OH only was the name on the carte and as he died, I was the new owner legally so it had to be re-issued with authorisation in writing from the notaire and our two children (who didn’t care who owned it but rather I did as they had their own vehicles). I would not worry about it at the moment Helenochka, plenty of time later on and who is then the legal owner plus you may have a different vehicle with another CG then anyway!
Blimey, I can do without yet more dealings with various notaires and slow coach successors, so am very very glad it never occurred to us to have both our names on them.
I’ll not bore everyone by going over the details David but basically, if the car is one name only and that person dies, their spouse cannot drive the car. Until the name of the deceased spouse has been removed, and the new one added.
It would great huge problems for us because we park on the street (the van is constantly having to be moved) and my husband is incapable of dealing with French paperwork.
I looked back through my messages on ANTS but could’t find the one that gave me the price of the new CG. These two messages were still there though, no mention of cancelling the CG before sending it to them.
These are the documents they asked for:
Voici des précisions concernant les actions à réaliser :
Autre motif - champ libre : Bonjour, Pour ajouter votre épouse comme co-titulaire sur votre carte grise, merci de joindre également les documents suivants : - Votre acte de mariage (ou livret de famille à jour) - Un justificatif de domicile de moins de 6 mois - Le cerfa 13750*07 de demande de certificat d’immatriculation (ci-joint) co-signé par votre épouse et vous-même - Sa pièce d’identité - La carte grise du véhicule Cordialement. NB : Pour information, si votre mariage a eu lieu avant le 20/09/2019 (date d’immatriculation du véhicule à votre nom), alors l’ajout de votre épouse reviendra à payer le prix d’une nouvelle carte grise à plein tarif car l’ajout de l’autre époux sur la carte grise d’un véhicule qui a d’abord été immatriculé pendant le mariage au nom d’un seul des époux, correspond à un changement de titulaire.
I uploaded them but then I muddied the waters by saying I wanted my wife as the principal owner, and they responded:
Voici des précisions concernant les actions à réaliser :
Autre motif - champ libre : Bonjour, J’accuse bonne réception de votre message et des documents transmis. Dans ce cas, pour passer votre épouse comme titulaire principale et vous-même, en co-titulaire, merci de joindre également les documents suivants : - Le permis de conduire de votre épouse - Une attestation papier de votre part donnant votre accord pour que le véhicule soit transféré au nom de votre épouse comme titulaire principale et le vôtre comme co-titulaire Cordialement.
I sent them off the new requirements and that’s when I got back the bill for the CG and abandoned the request. I can’t find that message on the site though. So I don’t know if it asked for the barred CG or not. Sorry.
BTW, we reregistered the car in my wife’s name in Dublin in first week of January. It took fifteen minutes at the car import office.
I think I might give up Shiba. Whoever’s been dealing with the case clearly doesn’t know what they’re doing (I’ve had to explain their own rules to them).
Plus a colleague has just told me there was something on the news the other week about ANTS being in a mess right now.
Thank you Helen and apologies for raking it all up again, I think I remember now that you had explained it before but to add the word fleeting to my memory these days would be doing it an injustice.
From what you say, Fran would have been faced with this situation had I gone first, but I bet it would not have been addressed.
The vehicle was deemed to be part of the sucession as OH name was as sole owner yet I drove it mostly as he had a lorry and vans so I was not automatically the owner upon death as there were heirs and possessions are divided between those heirs unless they specifically sign them away. Things might be different now but I knew several widows who had been left with a car and had to change the carte grise and the new number plate issued with that CG if the vehicle was registered before the new style came out, we are talking back in 2012 when I did this.
Yes and they are increasing the prices for CG’s too depending on dept. Impôts in mess too over that declaration des biens on their website we all had to fill in and submit as people have been invoiced as having vacant properties when they havn’t etc.
Be glad you don’t live in the US, my daughter and her husband have had to register their cars and motorbikes four times now since living there and moving to other states. They have just registered the lot in Tennessee after moving from NC where the actual vehicle registration dept had been washed away in the Hurricane last year and they had only just registered there!
For many, many reasons, none of them car registration I would never, ever live in the US Shiba. I hope your daughter and SIL are well documented or there may be another move coming up.
I think the difference with our situation is that Fran’s successors cannot lay claim to the cars under the Donation Entre Epoux that we had so not entitled to them till I die. Otherwise the thought of having to chase those 3 for months on end before I could legally drive to the shops in an area with no public transport, does not bear thinking about.
Thanks very much John for going to all that trouble.
Given their incompetence to date, I really don’t trust them enough to cancel my carte grise before they’ve even told me how much I owe them (by my reckoning, it should be several hundred euros).
There are plenty of specialised agents who can walk you through difficult carte grise problems. You can find the nearest one to your location here Carte Grise Agents. Our local one is excellent and not expensive.
Thanks Mike. I’ll have a think. Husband’s rolling his eyes (at me, not you) and asking why am I fussing about him not being able to cope? I’ll be dead.
I used a local office called SOS Carte Grise. No appointment needed just wait in small queue. Most clients seemed to be foreigners having ANTS problems. I wanted both our names on carte grise (as recommended by others on this forum) but ended up in ever decreasing ANTS circles. 10 minutes in the agency and it was sorted.
They are applying to be naturalised, both have very very well paid jobs and are lookingn to spend around a million dollars on the next house shortly so I don’t think Don will be coming for them.
