Maybe now is the time to change all that.
We need politicians that mean what they say and take the time to understand the issues before making unjustified forecasts and proclamations.
The dire situation of the UK politcal scene gives honest politicians a chance to come to tge fore.
Err⌠I could have been wrong about that.
Hopefully, given enough opportunity, he will do his usual trick of opening his mouth and inserting his foot.
Weâll have to wait a while to find out - the judge is letting the involved parties know on the 29th of May.
The problem for me at least seems to be that the first âexcuseâ or reason for voting to leave was based on lies, falsehoods, deceptions - call them what you will - on both sides as far as I could tell.
After so long surely all these have been exposed over and over again, and of course the threats must be clear to almost everyone - as presumably are possible advantages. Now the results are in and it is obvious that the majority want to leave. I canât quite come to terms with âbeing lazyâ, although I am not denying the possibility. If so, then not voting is the sameas handing the âremainâ vote to the âleaversâ isnât it? Ditto with soiled papers etc.
Whatever, the die is now surely cast, and the EU will certainly be taking note, and I canât see how they can ignore the result as it stands, after all everyone knew it was a surrogate vote for or against didnât they?
The farce must come to a stop now, as it is becoming ridiculous (what am I saying 'becomingâ ridiculous?) From here on in the EU is doing itself no favours with anyone by pussyfooting around the obvious.
Time to move on people?
At least we here will not have to put up with Bojo and his minions. Small mercies, but welcome nonetheless.
âNow the results are in and it is obvious that the majority want to leave. â
Surely that is not correct.
The votes for supporters of âremainâ were split amongst several parties but added up to a clear majority that favored remaining in the EU.
Virtually all the âBrexiteersâ voted for just one party.
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People will be disagreeing about this for a while - and putting their own spin on it.
This was the breakdown of UK voting (from the BBC)
In %age terms Brexit+UKIP was 34.9% compared with 40.4% for LibDem+Green+SNP+Plaid Cymru+The Tiggers so there seems to be a healthy Remain bias but, honestly, where do you put the 14.1% who voted Labour and the 9.1% who voted Tory on the Remain-Leave axis?
I suspect that the vote shows there is no majority for hard Brexit, but even that is open to interpretation - although youâd have to argue that everyone who voted against the âRemain partiesâ wants a hard Brexit which is a bit of a stretch to say the least.
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The disappointing thing for me is that Remainers had a huge opportunity to show some commitment/interest by just voting, instead they stayed at home in their 0000âs, is it any wonder Farage is so smug?
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Well, this remainer went and voted 
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Likewise!
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Yeah, but votes for Farage only make it worse.
If they canât realise how important it is to show how they feel it is a poor job.
Leave mounted a bigger, brasher and, more than likely illegal, campaign for the Referendum, which is why they won.
The idiot Cameron was so convinced Remain would win that their campagn was lacklustre to say the least.
The majority of British voters it would, therefore, seem need to have the merits of any argument put before them on a plate and do not make any effort to think for themselves.
There was little time in the European Elections to campagn properly and the Lib Dems who had been continuously making the point that they were the best Remain party and the Greens who had such an amount of free publicity lately, both did well.
Letâs hope that the Labour Party get their message across that they are a Remain Party and Corbyn is told to follow what tge majority of the Party want insttead of fence sitting.
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True, turnout in EU elections is traditionally low across the whole of Europe - I think that the UK is not the only nation which views the EU as distant and disconnected from the population at large.
That said turn out was up on many areas this year, again across the whole continent.
In some ways I am almost surprised that it is up or steady in the UK - people are getting numbed by Brexit and âturning offâ to the issue (one of the many problems with telling people constantly that it will be quick and easy when the reality is long, drawn out and fraught with issues).
Agreed but Leave is also the side with the natural advantage in the contest. People are predisposed to its simplistic upbeat message (distilled to purity in the case of the Brexit party). By comparison the Remain message is complex and nuanced.
It wasnât just âthat idiot Cameronâ - though he was an idiot for believing that the Referendum would solve anything. However, yes, the remain campaign lacked clarity or a simple-to-understand message that resonated with the electorate.
The tragedy is that Remain are showing all the signs of having failed to learn the lessons of 2016 and are quite likely to make the same mistakes if there ever is a re-run.
Itâs not just Brits who are intellectually lazy - basically itâs people - and to be honest I think its a bit condescending to use those terms. If you are worried about NHS cuts and someone steps up and says âif you vote to leave the EU there will be ÂŁ350million a week for the NHSâ that gels with your own concerns - someone then saying âwell, hang on, itâs not ÂŁ350 million a week and there are other projectsâ is going to struggle.
Not clear on your point here. The LibDems have been slowly turning around from the disastrous coalition and the Greens have been steadily picking up disaffected Labour voters for a while. The results just seem to confirm that trend.
Labour are almost as split as the Tories, and chasing their own version of Brexit Unicorns - Iâm not clear a Labour government is the answer (and I am certain a Labour government with Corbyn as PM is not the answer).
The problem with Brexit is we can go nowhere which is not painful in the short term. Anything short of no-deal will have Farage foaming at the mouth with accusations of brtrayal and treachery but, in fact, even his beloved no-deal will lead to much the same place once it is obvious that it is a terribly bad idea youâll have the same language, wit the same venom but attached to âshould have got a better deal - why did they not believe more and negotiate harder?â. I suspect weâll hear a lot of âThe EU are punishing usâ as well.
Iâm not looking forward to the next few years.
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Iâd like to know how parliament are going to stop âno-dealâ, anyone care to explain?
Hmm like you I think this could be something like the US Presidential Election Vote?
I suppose one could talk about actual numbers of people voting and possibly getting a variation but isnât the 52% who voted - one way or another - for âLeaveâ a head count, and not a âseat countâ?
My main point is that the vote in the UK was even more of a vote for or against leaving the EU (Membership) than anywhere else. I have noted in Hungary that despite 54% voting for Orban, nowhere has he advocated actually âleavingâ the EU - patently he knows where the money is coming from - and ditto with Poland.
The recent years have been an exhaustive and exhausting review of every pro and con imaginable for the UK - which I have not seen replicated anywhere else, and the net result is still a majority voted to âLeaveâ surely? 52% v. 48%?
Tim, it is very tempting to say âWhat Parliament?â Certainly at this time and with the projection of Johnson as the next Leader of the still incumbent Tories, and a still divided and unelectable Labour Party, a No-Deal seems inevitable.
I know Johnson is an untrustworthy and conniving individual, but I think even he would flinch against any change of direction on this point?
Johnson has âflip-floppedâ many times on Brexit that itâs hard to know what he really thinks, however Iâm not convinced heâll be the next PM as heâs not that popular amongst his own MPâs.
and donât forget how he played âfast and looseâ with peopleâs lives when he was FS or do people really have such short memories. Calling muslim women âletterboxesâ wonât help either (although, that said, the yuk is essentially racist anywayâŚ)
Pretty much only by ratifying the WA as it stands.
Blocking no-deal will be somewhat trickier.
Maybe not but heâs popular amongst the grassroot members and, more importantly top of the pile when it comes to potential to win an election.
Even the Tories should be abe to see that they are doomed.