Breturn after Brexit

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Signed. Though I can’t see it happening as Labour is too afraid of the Reform party.

Ditto, but Labour is afraid of everything

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Except taxing ordinary folk.

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At the risk of going off-topic, all governments do that, and Labour inherited a financial dog’s breakfast which Trump has made worse. They aren’t doing it for fun.

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Signed.
As for Labour not pushing it, now is not the right time, they still need more people to realise just how bad it was to leave.

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To prompt a little discussion given there might be bias on a platform for expats (mostly), else there will be a lot of yes votes!

A democratic vote was held, Brexit won but now the losing side feels that we should vote again.
Do we think Scotland should get the same vote again for it’s once in a lifetime independence vote?
Would the vast majority of the voting public understand the pros and cons of re-joining the EU just like they did when they voted out?

Hasn’t a recently democratically (ahem) elected individual the other side of the pond caused more issues to the economy in the short to the medium term?

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When the facts change, can’t opinions change?

My personal view is that a government would need to be voted in on a pre-EU manifesto before there can be any reasonable chance of joining the EU and that certainly wasn’t possible at the last election.

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Democratic yes, pushed a narrative based on total bullshit, yes! Seriously some friends I have question now say we were lied to. Well no shit Sherlock but we have to forgive them for they no not what they do. Just let’s not make the same mistake again with Reform.

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FTFY

I note the Government gave the “mandatory” response when it hit 10,.000 signatures.

IOW it ain’t happening.

I don’t see it happening in my lifetime TBH, though I would be ecstatic to see myself proved wrong on that one.

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Sorry to be a nitpicking French person, but we think of you as immigrants and I get the impression most of you think of yourselves that way too.

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Just signed, I’m the 38,991st. Ever optimistic…

I don’t think that is quite the case. There was a vote that had "advisory "status. In UK law, a referendum is only binding if the enabling legislation explicitly says so. The 2015 Act didn’t.

Therefore all the protections of a binding referendum which would have applied and might require, a supermajority, a minimum turnout, four nation consent etc were missing.

The Electoral Commission identified problems with spending rules, donation transparency, coordination between campaign groups, etc. but as the vote was only advisory, no further action was taken.

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Signed. Doesn’t hurt to keep pushing…and eventually the government will realise pandering to Reform voters does not get them very far and so moving more in the EU direction might be smart politically and economically.
Plus with the UK’s rather diminished status in the world eventually it has to get into bed again with one of the big powers and who would really choose the US or China?

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What @Mik_Bennett said.

The Brexit referendum had one object and only one - to allow David Cameron to tell his Eurosceptic backbench MPs to shut up.

This plan backfired because:

a) the Remain campaign was very lacklustre and complacent, because Cameron and friends assumed that UK voters would not be dumb enough to vote for Brexit;

b) Boris Johnson weighed in on the side of Leave and gave it political credibility;

c) a lot of blatant lies and false promises were told by the Leave campaign which were not challenged by a pusillanimous Electoral Commission;

d) the Leave campaign was backed by a lot of dirty money from Russia and elsewhere, along with a ton of dodgy social media manipulation;

e) the public also thought that a Leave result was unlikely so foolishly used the referendum as an opportunity to express their displeasure with the Government instead of treating it as a serious vote on the issue.

And finally, Cameron went ahead and treated the result as binding when it wasn’t.

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I high number of signatures just means a discussion not action unfortunately. Having watched the House in action, they discuss and dismiss in the same sentence sometimes so they know how to play the game.

This is true.

However, if those who feel strongly that Brexit was a complete oreille de cochon don’t express their views and make them known to their political representatives, the UK will be stuck with the status quo forever.

And I don’t agree with those who say “it was a democratic vote, get over it”, whether for the Scottish independence referendum or the Brexit one.

Governments make U-turns all the time, as does the electorate at most General Elections - so why should a referendum result be sacrosanct? Especially when events have irrefutably proven it to have been the wrong decision.

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Was it? Given that one side lied through their teeth to secure victory.

One could say that Remain won in 1975 and the Leave crowd were the ones wanting a rerun. The current effort is just trying to make it best two from three.

This has been done to death. Yes it was advisory and if Cameron had had a brain it would have stayed that way, but he made a political promise to “honour the result”

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Really, evidence? Rhetorical humour :joy:

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Q. What’s the difference between Boris Johnson and flying pig?

A. The letter ‘f’

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