Except that after all the promises and hype about ending FoM, and all the fuss over rolling out Settled Status, it would be a massive climbdown and cause a massive hooha if the UK was to backtrack now.
Can you quote a few examples of areas where the UK had/has higher standards?
For instance I remember how delighted everyone working for temp agencies in the UK was after the UK joined the EU and suddenly for the first time they became entitled to holiday pay, because the UK was obliged to come into line with EU rules.
EU standards are of course a minimum obligation, any EU country can set higher standards and many do. France has far higher standards for worker protection for instance. Your post kind of implies that joining the EU meant that the UK had to lower its standards to come into line but that is of course nonsense.
It’s almost as though Britain has let its standards slip by joining the EU. I too would like to understand what he means as it’s always looked to me as though the overall living and working conditions in Britain have benefitted from EU membership.
If possible, would you be so kind as to point me towards a link where I can read about this temporary permit a bit more? I’d like to fully understand the conditions attached.
I’m curious to know whether any EU states offer particularly “generous” residence permits to Brexpats. Particularly, long-term rights (>1 year) but just being in the right place on Dec 31st 2020. My employment circumstances are somewhat fluid, and I’d be pretty miffed if I lost my residence in, say, 3 years’ time due to being forced back into the UK for various work-related reasons.
### What happens if there is an orderly Brexit? Will I be allowed to stay in Germany?
If the withdrawal agreement is implemented, a transition period will come into force directly after Brexit, lasting until 31 December 2020. During this period, the UK will essentially continue to be treated as an EU Member State. EU freedom of movement regulations will continue to apply, and you will still be able to move and reside freely anywhere in the European Union.
Under the withdrawal agreement, a lifetime right to free movement will broadly continue to apply to those affected after the transition period.
I’ve not properly studied the German position on it though. Does anyone have any pointers?
It depends what your status is. If you’re applying as a “worker”:
I don’t know why Germany is saying that. As I understood it, citizens’ rights including the conditions for FoM will be part of the WA agreement between the UK and the EU. I wasn’t aware that individual countries could set different conditions.
For residency, they look at income (pensions, rental income, investment income etc) than savings/assets.
Citizenship is more of a whole-lifestyle thing and more factors are involved, for instance it’s looked on more favourably if at least some of your income comes from France.
Here’s a link to the resources requirement for inactifs living in France (click on retraité/inactif) - currently €559 a month for a single person under 65.
Unfortunately there will be no continuing Freedom of Movment (one of our EU citizenship rights) under the Withdrawal Agreement.
The UK wanted continuing EU wide freedom of movment for UK citizens resident in the EU27 states but the EU refused and deferred the question to be considered under the terms of an EU/UK trade agreement.
This wll be one of the planks of action against the EU for arbitrarily and discriminatory ignoring the rights of UK citizens.
I don’t follow your reasoning? Arbitrarily and discriminatory, how?
It is the UK’s decision to opt out of freedom of movement. The UK has shouted this very loudly indeed.
It would have been very nice and very generous of the EU to give us the continued right to onward movement, but I can understand why they haven’t. The EU has however done a lot to ensure that citizens’ rights are protected.
What a bizarre point of view. I presume that you are a UK citizen, as such once Britain leaves the EU your rights to FoM stop although you might be eligible for residency within an EU country. To lay the blame for this on the EU sounds like something that Nigel Farrage or one of the British right wing newspapers would have been proud to have dreamed up. ‘Your’ country is leaving the EU, you as an individual will have to jump throughout any hoops that you need to jump through to stay. If you wish to stay in France you are very fortunate as they are making it a as straightforward as they can for Britons who meet the basic residency criteria. The EU is not your enemy here.
Good grief Terry.
She would give them as hard a time as she can legally get away with. Exactly like Johnson will do in the UK. But the EU would make sure citizens’ rights aren’t violated…
But she won’t get in.
I think that you need to buy a crystal ball. Seriously though, are you suggesting that she will have the desire to go through the procedures to change French law to the point where foreign residents with legal residence permits would become vulnerable?
What exactly are you after Terry. You keep inventing scenarios that don’t fit any logical situation. Do you actually want to become a French resident or is this some sort of theoretical exercise? Some people have genuine concerns without you inventing more. M le Pen is a mainstream politician I suggest you invest some serious time to fact finding.
If you are serious about moving to a France do so within the obvious time frame and make sure that you meet the basic requirements of residency as soon as possible.
That’s exactly why I’m requesting help from people on this forum. I’m not expecting psychic answers but I’m learning a lot by asking these questions. Scenarios and all (all of which I felt were logical, I must say)
I’m serious about moving to an EU member state, probably France on the basis of what I’ve learnt so far.
One thing to understand is that by and large France is fair but it’s rigorous.
If you apply for a cds and tell the authorities you’re living and working in France but you don’t have a French employment contract, best case scenario they’ll knock you back, worst case scenario they’ll follow it up.
I don’t know how rigorous other EU states are.
The failure of the EU and the UK to protect the fundamental citizenship rights of UK citizens who have exercised them, not just by residing in EU27 states, is open to challenge on a number of grounds.
The millions of UK citizens who are not being protedted under EU law will be taking up this challenge by holding the EU to account once able to following Brexit.
This has been a position held by many campaign groups and backed up by legal advice from specialist lawyers.