By now we’ve all been vaccinated, cured and/or re-infected 🙄

Fake tests, that’s what we thought, it is too much of a coincidence to have such a large failure rate.

But it is affecting their human right to say no to what is put into their bodies.
All children have to be vaccinated to go to school, please tell me what is the difference?

Sadly there isn’t a clear simple answer, although the waters are made muddy by the deliberate misinformation provided by some opposed to vaccination.

Does the right of an individual to not receive something that has a tiny but definite risk of causing them harm trump the need of society to control spread of a disease that will absolutely cause much more harm? From an individual viewpoint, refusing a vaccine may seem a reasonable thing to do. But because the consequences of mass refusal absolutely will be shared by others who have been vaccinated, from an administrative point of view refusal is unacceptable.

There is no wiggle room on whether the vaccine is effective or not.

These are areas no-one wants to go. People should not refuse something that is good for both them and society, yet they can and do. Considering these things, to me, it seems only reasonable that they should have restrictions placed on them that will reduce their likelihood of becoming infected and of infecting others. That may be seen as punishment or oppression, but they leave their governments very little choice.

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Just dreaming/meditating and invisioning a kinder world…

Yes I video call with one or other of my daughters and my son just about every day and talk to my grandkids…real people (and talk to my mum at least 3 times a day) I’ve just come off a video chat with my son…here’s the latest addition to our family :grinning:


Vaccinated? :joy:

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There are plenty of people wanting to go there but they are censored….

Going back to Australia and the Tribal Elders and their SOS to the international community amongst many aspects they also see it as a “land grab”

Today I watched a video of a man in Queensland who had just lost a relative to cancer and he had been offered $9000 if he would agree to have “covid 19” registered on the death certificate….he refused…

He named the hospital…one would hope there are journalists out there who will investigate this…:thinking:

Not yet :joy:

If true, then yes. But it makes no sense to want to put Covid on the death certificate, none at all unless there is some other backstory. There isn’t a great conspiracy across the world, and people are dying or suffering long term effects. Our grandson has it right now, though I expect him to make a full recovery. Others I have known have lost children and parents to it. We don’t need to make the official figures any bigger. Nurses I’ve talked to in the NHS have described being run ragged from the sheer number of patients they dealt with.

People who authentically wish to explore the tension between vaccination and individual rights are not censored. Those who simply oppose vaccination because they feel it infringes their right have not been kept silent - you can post freely on here for example. Those who spread falsehood about vaccines, however, should not be permitted a platform with reach - my feeling is they should be held responsible in law for those who listened to their falsehood, refused vaccination and were harmed as a consequence. No man is an island, and the things each of us do and say affect others.

The doctor visiting a care home in N London did this. No post mortem. Very questionable behavior and pure laziness.

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With a £9000 bribe?

No, just couldn’t be bothered so took the easy way out and put death down to covid

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I wonder for how long unvaccinated people can avoid covid 19 with the gains it has made in it’s ability to infect. At least the vaccinated will have some protection from serious illness.

I’m coming to the conclusion that we’re all going to get it at some stage. The trick is to make sure one is as protected as possible against serious illness.

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The problem is getting it does not give immunity for very long it seems as people are getting it twice. So still danger for those in risk groups.

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It’s maybe not the case that “unvaccinated” people are “avoiding covid 19” as they have already had it and recovered and have a long lasting and durable immunity (now 130 plus peer reviewed studies)

There are likely to be several classes of “unvaccinated” :thinking:

1: those who have had it and recovered and know they have a superior immunity as referenced by 130 plus peer reviewed studies

2: those who had one vaccine and suffered a serious side effect so won’t have a second (one of my daughters) and are now considered unvaccinated

3: those who had both doses but suffered a serious side effect and won’t have a booster so are now considered unvaccinated

Where is this list of peer reviewed journals Helen?

Because data from Iran suggests “natural immunity” to Covid following infection is anything but superior.

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Brownstone institute

Which was only founded in May this year and setup specifically to fight the global response to Covid 19.

One down only 129 to go.

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It seems you have to register to read that but what’s readable is about delta… :thinking:

Yes maybe the case that people can get it twice but those who recovered from a first infection still have a long lasting durable immunity to the whole virus rather than just spike and it’s a mild illness….

What troubles me is that this latest variant is appearing in the doubly vaccinated who dont seem to have taken on board that they can still catch it and transmit when there have been huge restrictions around the unvaccinated….my fear is ADE or original antigenic sin but as long as it remains a mild illness even if more transmissible then my sincere hope that it will self extinct