Can UK cancel Brexit and stay in EU?

Using the criminal lobules of my cortex I can fantastically conjure up ways in which people could access the back of the van in other ways than through the plastic-sealed back doors after it left the loading bay but before it crossed the border.

I won’t divulge them but I think they could be feasible and lucrative to people-smugglers. And not all vehicles that cross the border are trucks.

:scream::scream::scream::scream::innocent:

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I had thought that our borders are (or could be) controlled already - there doesn’t seem to be the inclination currently to drastically limit the movement of illegal immigrants - is the size of UK Border Force going to triple?

I don’t quite understand what is meant by the phrase “We will be able to control our borders” when we already can - if we wished.

As far as I am aware there are quite a number of rules in place to make sure that in effect you need to be self sufficient to permenantly move to France and you don’t get automatic free healthcare - I would assume that the same could/does apply in UK - once again I cannot see how Brexit would change this - if it could have been addressed already but as a country we have chosen not to go it.

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Dunno about triple but the government has announced that it is going to recruit an implausible- sounding number of new border force personnel in the New Year. It didn’t mention how long it will take to train them.

Don’t forget that freedom of movement is basically about workers, it was designed as an economic tool to give EU workers the right to live and work in any EU state. That is the main thrust of the directive; then later it was extended to pensioners and inactifs as well, as a concession. But mainly freedom of movement is about workers, especially where the UK is concerned because how many EU citizens dream of retiring to a cramped overpriced house on a small over-populated island, a few I guess but not so many, and I think what Brexiters didn’t like was EU workers being able to come to the UK to take jobs and set up small businesses. Hence TM is spinning in U-turns around the notion of setting a £30,000 pa earnings threshold for EU immigrant workers, which I think is the same as the threshold for non EU immigrant workers. It’s a bit like the Irish border problem - the UK needs immigrant workers (NHS etc), but it doesn’t want them.

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I have discovered one good thing about the Brexiteers… When they spout their wonderful vision for the future and what they will need and what they will be able to do without they do make you think. Luckily further thought just makes me realise quite how much out of step with the real world their ideas are.
I saw this on another site, perhaps it’s Mr Hodge.

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It doesn’t need them any more…
I saw last week that the NHS are now training patients how to inject themselves…

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And the Daily Mail is exhorting people to volunteer to do jobs in the NHS.
You couldn’t make it up…

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We are all Brexiteers now, EU knows we will never again be good bedfellows and see us as an unruly tribe. Let’s hope we are not the new Helvetii :santa:

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What do the French and Germans do in term of staffing their health services. I’d love to see whether they train French and Germans to do the work. I for one see it as shortsighted and morally reprehensible for a wealthy country to import health sector workers from countries who can ill afford to lose them.

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Indeed. However the new seal would not have the same unique ID number as the seal that the driver put on at the last point of loading, and therefore, upon arriving at the docks it would be clearly apparent that someone had opened the back of the truck when they should not have.

I think not. I’ve been out of the U.K. for 32 years, no need to be a rat leaving a sinking ship, I’m long gone. It’s just a great shame that the country will suffer.
I spent a lot of time in a German hospital about 15 years ago, most of the staff were German but the specialist was not. I did get the impression that he had trained in Germany though.

Just as well we are talking about a third world country then…

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What are you talking about?

Get real.

And the NHS has an unacknowledged problem with so-called “unconscious racism” in its treatment of overseas (and indigenous) people of colour, nurses and doctors in its employ: systemically overlooked for promotion, for professional development and training, and disproportionately subject to disciplinary strictures both local and national.

This is (in my own experience) in marked contrast to the way that men have been disproportionately favoured for promotion and appointment to positions of distinction in nursing, and it is hard to account for this ‘positive’ but probably unjust gender-bias, except in historical psychosexual terms. Don’t ask! :thinking::wink::joy:

Are European institutions affected or just UK ones?

My personal experiences and practise in the corporate world reassure me that; women’s, rainbow, BAME networks are well represented and encouraged in the modern workplace.

I can’t speak for the NHS nor would I agree that the UK is 3rd world, it’s insulting and preposterous for 1st worlders @graham westerners to suggest this.

We each have a role to play in making sure all in society are not disadvantaged, so let’s train those so desperate for opportunity in our own communities before leeching off of others because it’s easier.

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You really are special. When are you moving back to the U.K.?

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You’ve been out of the UK so long I’m surprised you even understand English or our values.

Your values? Thank God I don’t share them. It just seems so strange that you spout your far right clap trap while living in another country. Imagine having you as a near neighbour. :frowning:

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You sir are an idiot.

Well, I’ve never agreed with anything you’ve said so why start now. You’re just dangerous. Your xenophobic posts would be bad enough if you’d never been out of your home country but as a resident of another country they’re even more unbelievable. A nasty bit of work. I suggest you start by asking thecNHS why they don’t employ only British staff, I think that you might be surprised by their replies.

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