Carte sejour During the transition period

Anna,

we were originally given the same list - proof of residence (utility bills, property taxes etc.) but following an interview at the prefecture we were told that registration at the Impot and the social security caisse are the fundamental proofs of residence as opposed to property ownership.

The other important factor is recent proof of income as evidence of being able to support yourself.

I wish I had your préfecture then :grin:
I gathered everything they’d asked for, which included 5 years worth of avis d’impots, edf bills, property taxes, proof of income and proof of cotisations paid on that income. 72 sheets in all, if I remember correctly. Before I booked an interview I took my dossier along to the counter to check I had everything covered, and they said they also wanted a certificate of domicile from the mairie. I said, very politely, but you have edf bills and property tax bills and tax bills, isn’t that enough to prove domicile? They said, No, that proves residence. Domicile is different.
Va comprendre.
The mairie said they don’t issue those attestations, I reported word for word what the prĂ©fecture had said, and the lady got very indignant and said “The prefecture is wrong, I know exactly what documents are needed for a carte de sĂ©jour and they shouldn’t be asking you for this, they are telling you n’importe quoi, but that is nothing new” and eventually they gave me the attestation.
And my carte de séjour was issued.

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Anna,

when you’ve been here a while understanding what the bureaucracy asks for and what is required are two very different things.

We have been to the prefecture 3-4 times, slightly different responses each time but we have ended up with red dossier for the three of us.

Residence and domicile can be the same thing but can be very different, particularly with the language differences.

What the French authorities seem to want is proof of tax residency (or the intention to be tax resident) that doesn’t neccesarily equate to residency or domicile.

Perhaps it is time for you to get advice from a specialist lawyer or accountant.

@anon65742194, given that a dedicated website has been launched for Brits wanting residency why are you even bothering to pursue something that you can no longer have?

Given that a dedicated web site hasn’t been launched and that our applications for a titre de sejour have been “kicked down the road” several times over the last few years why wouldn’t I pursue what the people at the prefecture have told us? Why wouldn’t I want to protect our family?

Can you provide the web address for the web site that we can use to confirm our titre de sejour application today? Not one that will be available in the future but one that is available today?

I’m getting more and more confused by our conversation.
I have been here a while. I’ve dealt with lots of bureaucracy in the course of living here and running a business here. I’ve never had any problems - a few hiccups here and there but all sorted out with no real difficulty. I avoid confrontation whenever possible so if they ask me to do something, I generally do it because generally it’s less hassle than arguing.

I was merely reporting my experience.

I realise that tax residency, residency and domicile are different things. I think that in point of fact, the authorities have a number of boxes to tick - they want to be sure a person lives here and that they are exercising freedom of movement correctly, and there are various aspects to that according to the person’s status, but in every case healthcare, sufficient income, submitting their tax returns, continuity of residence.

I’m completely baffled why you think it’s time for me to get advice from a specialist lawyer or accountant. I already have my CdS, as I mentioned; my application didn’t get kicked down the road, I submitted my dossier, had an interview and was called to collect the card a couple of months later. I don’t have any legal problems and I have no use for an accountant, I’m a micro entrepreneur. Are you sure your post is aimed at me?

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All explained here. It’s not available for use today because they’re not inviting applications today.

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I don’t know why you’re picking arguments with people when you know full well that it’s now a waiting game and that applications will be processed in due course.

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Timothy,

not picking arguements , just reporting facts as told to us by our prefecture.

Why are youso aggressive?

Anna,

exactly.

The site is not available today, despite what Timothy contends.

If you are an expert in this field and already have your post Brexit Titre de Sejour why are you posing these questions?

Grahame
 I’ve just joined this thread
 which site in not available today ??? we’ve already said that the CdS online says it will reopen in July 2020

and not to send anything in the post
 all will be done online, eventually
 eventually :hugs: and we have until 30th June 2021 to actually hold the cds in our hand


I’m not being aggressive Grahame and have not said that a website is available today, as Stella has said the new website will be open in July for new applications but it’s possible that those like me who applied on the first website last year will hear something before then. As this information has been freely available both here and on other websites I don’t see why you think it’s necessary to continue to visit/contact the prefecture for something you cannot have right now.

Absolutely Tim
 the French Gov has been made plain to all Brits in France
 that no-one should hassle the Prefecture
 no dossiers should be sent in the post
 everyone must wait and be patient


but I do understand that folk are perhaps getting jittery
 waiting does not come easy 


I’m not an expert in this field; I don’t already have a post Brexit Titre de SĂ©jour, if I did I would be the only person in the world to have one because I don’t suppose they’ve even finished being designed yet; and I don’t recall posing any questions, I was merely sharing my experience in case others are interested. It’s what forums are for.

As Stella says there is no need to be jittery. There’s no great urgency since Brits won’t need to actually possess a CdS for ages yet. France will have thousands of applications to deal with and it’s clearly done a lot of planning and preparation, for which I think we should be grateful. It’s set up a user-friendly website to simplify things for applicants, and I trust it to have a process in place that will deal with applications as speedily as possible and get the cards out in good time.

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Any British national trying to apply for a CdS UE EAA Suisse through their prefecture will get nowhere as you are applying for something that you are no longer entitled to. Everything is explained below (fresh off the press)

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Absolutely correct, Dan, as we have been saying for a while now
 I’m putting the whole screen up so that folk can read it
 and relax
 (I hope)

There is one thing there which is slightly different to previous instructions. They state that British nationals must apply for the ‘new’ CdS before 01/07/2021 as the cards are required from that date. Before I read that you had to apply between the site opening in July 2020 and the end of the Transition Period on 31st December 3020 to allow all the applications to be processed and cards issued before 1st July 2021. Anyone leaving their application until late June 2021 is not going to have a card when they become compulsory on July 1st.

Well I just hope this new system to swap UE CdS for a non-UE CdS is more streamlined than the driving licence exchange! I’m still waiting 2 years after I sent in my application and a year after I confirmed I didn’t want to retain heavy goods categories


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Deleted - obviously you’ve seen it, doh!

Do you think the Transition Period will be that short? :grin:

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