EV - buy or wait?

And quite a chunk of methane emissions. And methane is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2, although it does break down much quicker.

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Methods to save the planet are not mutually exclusive.

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Indeed - but should be given priority according to how much impact they can have.

But, being cynical, there’s no money in saving the planet today  so it won’t happen and by the time the politicians and billionaires think it important to them it will be too late; indeed it is already too late. We should have taken the opportunity to do something about this 50 years ago - that failure will ultimately cost billions of lives.

Sadly, I have to agree. We have been too self interested for too long. My current attitude is every little helps even if it only prolongs the inevitable.

Here is a suggestion. Most foods sold in the EU are required by law to display specified nutritional facts such as calories etc. Why not also make it a requirement for everything to display its carbon number? This would apply to petrol, air miles, or even electricity consumed. The numbers would mean little to the average consumer but would give a simple way of choosing between say beef or chicken depending on the effect of their production has on the planet.

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Been in oil, they do a lot of remediation that goes unsung. I would say semiconductors and EV batteries deal with substances, heavy metals in particular, in greater quantities in multiple parts of the chain that produce more harm.

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Case in point, the London sewage pipe, didnt care until MP’s couldnt stand the stench.

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Likewise a lot of damage. They dont like to talk about.

Quite.

Rivian Automotive surged about 36% on Wednesday after a $5 billion investment from Volkswagen offered the loss-making startup more firepower to roll out new models to attract consumers in a slowing electric-vehicle market.

Doesnt seem to sound the VW group are not looking to EV’s

And, importantly, VW gets access to Rivian’s software knowledge.

I have been pondering this statement. Are you really saying that if I stop eating beef (which is about once per week on average), I will be making a bigger contribution to saving the planet than driving an EV instead of an ICE?

I guess that would depend on how much beef you eat, and how many miles you drive.

However if everyone on the planet stopped eating meat and we all became vegetarians, yes, potentially that would have more of an impact on CO2 production than replacing the ICE fleet with an electric one.

Obviously I cannot speak for everyone on the planet. I can only take my own decisions.
I drive about 10,000 miles per year which produces a ballpark estimate of 6.5 tons of Greenhouse gas
I eat about kilo of beef per year. I posed the question using AI and got a very interesting answer.
The amount of carbon dioxide produced to provide 1 kilogram of beef can vary depending on several factors, including:

** Farming practices: Beef cattle raised on pastures tend to have a lower carbon footprint than those raised in feedlots.*
** Location: The distance cattle are transported for slaughter and processing can affect the CO2 emissions.*
** Breed of cattle: Some cattle breeds are more efficient at converting feed to meat, which can reduce emissions.*

However, as a general estimate, the production of one kilogram of beef can emit between 9 and 100 kilograms of CO2 equivalent (CO2eq). This high variation underpins the importance of considering the factors mentioned above.

Here’s a breakdown of the sources of CO2 emissions in beef production:

** Enteric fermentation: This is the process by which cows digest their food, and it releases methane, a potent greenhouse gas.*
** Manure management: Manure decomposition releases methane and nitrous oxide, another greenhouse gas.*
** Feed production: The cultivation, processing, and transportation of feed for cattle all contribute to CO2 emissions.*
** Slaughter and processing: The energy used to slaughter and process cattle contributes to CO2 emissions.*

It seems you are absolutely right Billy - I should have gone vegan not electric.
Who would have thought it?

To quote John Cleese…

If God didn’t intend for us to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?

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Its not all about CO2 though, tailpipes produce a lot more than just CO2 (which makes plants grow)

Knew you’d see sense :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

Knew you’d see sense :slight_smile: :slight_smile:
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The problem I have is that it is easier to change my driving habits then my eating habits :frowning_face:

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It seems to me that your kilo of beef per year only produces up to 100 kilos equivalent of CO2, but your car makes many tons. You should be okay in your non-vegetative state for now.