Try “Alexa, fart”.
I’ll tell them that, but I’ll wait a day or two, they are in mourning for the loss of their own little dog, their first, a day after mine left, but I am more used to it.
Maybe not if we nuke it.
Different topic, I know.
I’m reading this thread late, soz.
How do I jump to the end?
Found out how, just reply.
Use the dated slidey thing to the right of the replies. 
If you have already visited the thread it will go to the last post you read automatically.
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Thanks, but the slider only moved down a bit, then I had to wait until the page repopulated. It was taking forever.
As to the thread title, are we basing replies on price or technology? Or both?
The subsidies have dropped, tariffs have gone up or arrived, so have prices risen?
Has the technology leapt forward since 2021?
as produced by Chinese and Korean manufacturers, Yes.
as produced by European manufacturers, No.
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The VW group came up with their more efficient electric motor, but EU are still 10y behind.
Total worldwide thermonuclear annihilation would be like a pimple on an elephants backside for the planet as a whole. It’s been through much worse in the past, and life has survived and flourished.
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You know it really warms the cockles of my heart to hear you say this hairbear
Yes you can, and it works OK. But it’s not integrated into the car’s range system, so you have to use Google for route planning etc. Renault have made a major faux pas.
That’s what Google wants, they give Renault “cheap” software and then harvest the data on what we are all doing. A fu*king disgrace. Renault, and non savvy users, have been suckered.
We only use the R5 around town and have the Google (including Reno assistant) shit turned off.
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You can turn the thing off 
Mind you, it’s hard to navigate the menus to do so 
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And Apple are any different, its the American business model.
Yes I think they are @Corona They are not an advertising company, or at least to a far lessor degree. They make money from H/W and services. Google, Facebook and all the other bottom feeders make money out of their “free” services but are advertising companies at heart.
Point taken.
OK - hard for me to comment if I would find that a problem without using it, but on my current (petrol) car the “range” is shown on a small screen inside the speedometer if I want it, and then I have a separate Carpuride device for CarPlay / Google Maps etc. which sits in front of the (obsolete) original entertainment / navigation screen above the centre console.
So I think it would not make a lot of difference to me, not having had the luxury of a car with everything integrated!
Other apps being available on the playstore android platform, are they usable?
Yes on Carplay you can use Apple Maps, which is much improved, or Waze, and a bunch of others.
Personally I like Google Maps best but the nice thing with CarPlay and Android thing is you have a choice, not just whatever your car comes with.
In my case the Honda nav system that’s built in dates from 2009, lives on a DVD-ROM in the boot, has wire-frame graphics and hasn’t been updated since 2013, so is basically unusable.
I love Google Maps for route planning but really don’t like it using it for GPS navigation. I really like CarPlay and was pleased to find out thatI can use my OsmAnd app to follow routes on the car’s screen. I have planned all my routes on OsmAnd for years. I save them as GPX files and upload them to the Garmin Zumo that I use on my motorcycles. That way I follow exactly the route I’ve chosen, the satnav itself has not control over where I go. To find that the routes appear in my car as well was really good news.