Government info and advice : Coronavirus

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There’s a sliding scale of personal hygiene practices v contamination > illness. My own view is that Anne J is rather overdoing it.

I recall the front cover of New Scientist with a photo of two children playing in what the Americans call ‘the dirt’ and the headline [to the effect of] “Are we eliminating our children’s ability to resist?”

My mother was a nurse trained in the old school, as described by Peter Goble. Enamel bedpans scrubbed with caustic soda solution - no gloves. She served in the QA’s in WW2 on the Subcontinent and the Far East in circumstances where ideal medical hygiene practice was likely to be very difficult to achieve.

My upbringing did not feature the level of personal hygiene practiced by Anne J, especially during the 9 years of 8 months in 12 spent at boarding school. The gist of the piece in the New Scientist was that a certain level of exposure is necessary to keep one’s immune system in fighting trim.

I have perhaps given this notion a test to within a gnat’s of destruction. All I can say is that in some really hygienically dodgy situations, I’ve survived with no ill effects. In my years of travel to places where sanitation is absent or, if present, part of the problem rather than a solution, I’ve never had Delhi Belly

Probably the most testing was refilling my water bottle from a stump of rubber hose set sticking up in the middle of a muddy road in a Himalayan village. All forms of transport used this road, from buses and trucks to barefoot pedestrians and animals.

In Peshawar, Pakistan, the council urged everyone to use the dumps provided for the remains and offal of animals slaughtered during Eid, the festival following Ramaddan. Like hell they did. The smell of rotting animal in the Old Town was discernable in University Town, 5 or so miles up the GT Road. At 2 miles from the bazaar, I couldn’t face it and went home.

After Ramaddan for 7 months I took lunch with 40 of my Afghan colleagues. Six days a week we shared two enormous piles of mutton pilau, each man taking a couple of handfuls onto his plate and eating it with the right hand, assisted by nan bread. Drink was water from jugs into glasses which had not seen washing up as we know it, Jim.

I did have a short bout of a flu-type something. One of Vero’s colleagues at M.S.F. diagnosed “infection from inhalation of faecal dust”. There are whole countries, like Pakistan, where ‘inhalation of faecal dust’ is part of everyday life.

I am suspected, in some quarters, of ‘double dipping’ stuff like hummus or taramousalata. I have failed to convince my accusers that I always turn the slice of pitta or bread stick round to dip the ‘clean’ end…

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Is there a link between this recent research:

And this:

It does raise suspicion as to why Donald Trump is looking so smug!

Supporters of FC Valencia went to the match in Milan and some came back infected. The return leg, in VLC, will be played in an empty stadium.

Yet the fiesta of Mascleta, 16 days of audio-fireworks, is going ahead. Thousands of people gather in the main plaza and streets around to have their hearing damaged by 5 minutes of monstrous, military-grade explosives.

Come March 17th, Mascleta is augmented by Las Fallas, the 3 day fiesta featuring enormous tableaux, set up in neighbourhood plazas and on intersections in the city. Unless they self-quarantine, the streets will be packed with people for hours, circulating around the city admiring these amazing constructions.


The gondolier is about life-size.

HM The Queen, about the size of a 6 year-old, is seen as responsible, wielding a saw, for cutting Britain off from the EU. The caption on the board under her feet reads [in Valenciano] “What will the hoteliers do now? Who will there be to get drunk? Who will jump off balconies?”

The bars and cafes will overflowing - if it all goes off as usual.

Italy’s 6 Nations rugby games are postponed. The Bahrain GP this month will be held behind closed gates. Yet City Hall in Valencia has, so far, shown no sign of preventing thousands of people congregating for hours for a total of 19 days.

They’re bonkers.

but it can make you go blind…

One of the Virus’s sneakiest tricks is that people are asymptomatic AND infectious for up to a couple of weeks. Therefore we should keep well away from everybody, not just those exhibiting symptoms.

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absolutely…and this is another reason for folk to stay home… they may not know they have the virus and every sortie offers a risk of passing it on to other folk…

stay at home… and remove the risk… seems safest to me… :roll_eyes:

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Exactly. We only go out for food and/or medicine and even then steer clear of everybody.

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Lettre Service-Publique 26 Mars 2020

What! :roll_eyes:

Well Trump did suggest injecting disinfectant, so his dumb followers probably reckon this is just the same…

No matter where you are in the world it seems that those who obey the rules now need protecting from those who selfishly see no need to take into account the health of their fellow citizens or the economic state of their countries.
People who do not wear masks or ignore social distancing and the rules about large gatherings need fining heavily.
This has gone on for too long and decent people will not stand being locked down because of the selfish habits of the few.

Unfortunately the effects of their carelessness are invisible to them. It is easy for them to think they are doing no harm. More clarity is required from government.

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Fifty-per cent of the general population is by definition below average intelligence (as judged by standardised tests of general intelligence) so it is realistic to expect that a number of individuals will mistakenly think drinking the fluid will protect them from infection.

Another significant fraction will drink the fluid in the hope that it will serve as a free intoxicant. To overcome their addictive cravings.

Neither fairly deserve the epithet “dumb” IMO.

I think @Jane_Williamson’s call for protection of the misguided or naive is more to the point.

Disagree. Dumb is dumb.

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Fuckwits, dumb fuckwits

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Unfortunately intelligence is not a matter of choice.
Just a genetic fluke.
But some “not very bright” people are kind by nature.
And who can say which is the greater gift?

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As well as being very talented in pursuits that don’t call for the narrow categories of intelligence as measured by standardised tests, including craftsmanship in a huge range of artistic and manipulative pursuits, in human-resource management, and business enterprises.

Not just more clarity, putting some of these regulations into actual law with stricter consequences for those who think themselves above it.
This virus has to be beaten by ourselves until we have a vaccine and that vaccine should be mandatory.

Compulsory medication is unethical in any civilized society.
But I think that considerate persuasion would be good enough for the purpose.

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Not being vaccinated amounts to a willingness to let others keep them safe.
If you kill someone you have to pay the penalty, there is no difference between those who choose not to take part in protecting their fellow citizens, with the exemptions of those on medical grounds.
We have not been in this situation before and we need to take really aggressive measures to allow us to continue a form of our pre Covid lives.